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Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Post by candiddevmike »

blitz_skull wrote: post #19
rconti wrote: post #14

The web/webapps/mobile helped lead to this era of "desktop PCs" (to include laptops) where the browser mattered more than the OS. It allowed Apple to become resurgent in the desktop market because OS compatibility mattered less than ever. It's not weird that it led to Apple regaining _some_ market share because clearly there was demand for the Apple/MacOS/OS X experience that may have been tempered by incompatibility…

As an Apple Stan, I don’t understand what you’re referring to. MacOS is light years ahead of Windows in so many arenas, I’m not really sure what you could be referring to when you say “stagnation”. Every OS ever released has issues at launch, not sure if that’s what you mean by “regression”. But man… windows has been garbage for the better part of 2 decades now.

Snapping and switching windows is light-years ahead of Windows? It only recently became a little more reasonable, and even then they still kept that idiotic full screen mechanic.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Post by candiddevmike »

qgin wrote: post #17

Nobody seems to want to use Copilot, but Microsoft is in a great position when AGI "drop-in office workers" become a thing. They can just provision however many virtual coworkers to a Microsoft Teams instance and you'll be handing off documents and chatting with the AGI workers pretty much as you would any other remote worker. Microsoft doesn't have to be first or best here. Just owning the plumbing of so many presen…

Why don't we see companies adopting this setup with offshore workers if it's that "seamless" and easy to get started?

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Post by bikotreats »

mschuster91 wrote: post #50
fooqux wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft is in a great position when AGI "drop-in office workers" become a thing While I don't disagree with you here, that's a helluva big bet. It'll have to happen soon enough that other companies aren't able to pivot in time, and despite what Altman says, I just don't see it happening at that timescale.

> While I don't disagree with you here, that's a helluva big bet. And yet, one that Microsoft has the best chances. Apple has all but zero presence in BigCorp outside of social media and creative teams. Google has its Workspaces thing plus its web wannabe-equivalents to Office, but that's it. And AWS is an infrastructure provider. Microsoft in contrast? They're everywhere and most importantly, whatever is in Office 3…

"Apple has all but zero presence in BigCorp outside of social media and creative teams"

Bad take. Apple has a strong presence within the tech and digital agency world. At every company i've worked for (3 tech companies, 1 digital agency), the Macbook is the default issued workstation unless you formally request a Windows laptop.

Some roles, like finance, tax, 3D design, favor Windows but that is generally because certain software they depend on only exists in the Windows world.

Microsoft totally dominates non-tech companies though.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Post by bloaf »

riversflow wrote: post #61
rconti wrote: post #14

The web/webapps/mobile helped lead to this era of "desktop PCs" (to include laptops) where the browser mattered more than the OS. It allowed Apple to become resurgent in the desktop market because OS compatibility mattered less than ever. It's not weird that it led to Apple regaining _some_ market share because clearly there was demand for the Apple/MacOS/OS X experience that may have been tempered by incompatibility…

> 1. The Apple experience, at least on the OS side, matters less and less in the webapp world. I see it the opposite. At least for iPhone owners Universal Clipboard and file sharing with Airdrop are killer apps.

On android, KDE Connect felt great for basic copy/pasting/file transfer between devices.

https://kdeconnect.kde.org/

On iOS, KDE Connect feels like its running a potato sack race with both arms tied behind its back.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Post by layer8 »

liuliu wrote: post #25
blitz_skull wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Apple Stan, I don’t understand what you’re referring to. MacOS is light years ahead of Windows in so many arenas, I’m not really sure what you could be referring to when you say “stagnation”. Every OS ever released has issues at launch, not sure if that’s what you mean by “regression”. But man… windows has been garbage for the better part of 2 decades now.

Windows 7 is the last good one. And that is only... Oh, almost 20 years ago. Never mind.

Windows 7 was supported until 10 years ago.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Post by mouth »

mschuster91 wrote: post #50
fooqux wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft is in a great position when AGI "drop-in office workers" become a thing While I don't disagree with you here, that's a helluva big bet. It'll have to happen soon enough that other companies aren't able to pivot in time, and despite what Altman says, I just don't see it happening at that timescale.

> While I don't disagree with you here, that's a helluva big bet. And yet, one that Microsoft has the best chances. Apple has all but zero presence in BigCorp outside of social media and creative teams. Google has its Workspaces thing plus its web wannabe-equivalents to Office, but that's it. And AWS is an infrastructure provider. Microsoft in contrast? They're everywhere and most importantly, whatever is in Office 3…

> Apple has all but zero presence in BigCorp outside of social media and creative teams.

Not from my experience. I see product managers/owners and software engineers using Macs more than Windows where I work, and it’s in healthcare, not SV. This move to Mac was gradual, starting ~10 years ago, and I believe a part of this was moving away from native apps to web apps.

Re: Are consumers just tech debt to Microsoft?

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Post by chirau »

bikotreats wrote: post #75
mschuster91 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While I don't disagree with you here, that's a helluva big bet. And yet, one that Microsoft has the best chances. Apple has all but zero presence in BigCorp outside of social media and creative teams. Google has its Workspaces thing plus its web wannabe-equivalents to Office, but that's it. And AWS is an infrastructure provider. Microsoft in contrast? They're everywhere and most importantly, whatever is in Office 3…

"Apple has all but zero presence in BigCorp outside of social media and creative teams" Bad take. Apple has a strong presence within the tech and digital agency world. At every company i've worked for (3 tech companies, 1 digital agency), the Macbook is the default issued workstation unless you formally request a Windows laptop. Some roles, like finance, tax, 3D design, favor Windows but that is generally because cer…

Apple's footprint in BigCorp is a drop in the ocean compared to MS. You said it yourself, "certain software they depend on only exists in the Windows world". That is intentional and the reason is because of MS dominance in BigCorp. Most makers don't find it worthwhile to spend so much time and resources building software for Apple when it has so few users at that level.
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