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Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by tristan957 »

ethin wrote: post #61

I can't stand Gnome. I don't like how they dumped the desktop or the app menu, or really most of their decisions lately. From what I've seen they're trying to cater to some amorphous "new user" instead of just creating a good desktop environment. What is this "new user"? Nobody knows! Well, other than the Gnome developers, I guess. The sad thing is that attempting to cater to "new users" is just... Entirely unnecessa…

I'm not a new Linux user, and I use GNOME. I've done stints on KDE, Cinnamon, MATE, Xfce, and Budgie.

I personally find GNOME to be the best experience. I'm just stating that GNOME also caters to people with a decade+ of Linux desktop experience.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by llbbdd »

t_mahmood wrote: post #64
al_borland wrote: post #10

I will never get used to Gnomes lack of native support for minimizing windows. I actually had to lookup how they expected users to manage windows, as it was not obvious to me. Apparently you’re supposed to move windows to another virtual desktop to get them out of the way. As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention th…

You don't move windows that you do not need right now to other workspace. You move to a new workspace with the window you are working on. Which is more logical, and workspace are cheap, and quick to navigate to. There are even extensions, that opens new windows to a new workspace automatically. But of course, I have few complaints about how multi-monitor workspace are handled in Gnome, I prefer how i3 handles workspa…

IDK about anyone else's experience but workspaces are not cheap on seemingly any system. Gnome on Linux, MacOS, Windows, all seem to have unacceptable performance degradation the more workspaces you open. I assume that this is because some frame buffer is being kept alive in all cases, but for the love of God, why?

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by kevincox »

nik736 wrote: post #7

What I am missing with Gnome is the global menu I have with macOS. It's just my preferred way of working. This is also what I liked about Unity. Gnome seems to follow the same direction as Windows. Additionally miller columns in Finder are just awesome and I don't have them with Nautilus. Those two things are honestly dealbreakers for me.

I quite dislike the global menu of macOS. It means that you need to switch windows to see the menu for the window, which can result in a lot of tedious mouse movement.

But what I absolutely love is the menu search. I would love to see GNOME (well GTK I guess) add menu search. Also bring back the ability to bind hotkeys by typing while hovering a menu item while you are at it!

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by t_mahmood »

jghn wrote: post #15
joelthelion wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If open windows are bugging you, you can simply move to a new workspace, as you mention. There's a keyboard shortcut, so that's actually very easy to do. Gnome is very different from more common desktop environments, but if you accept to try and work with it the way it's designed, it can be productive and enjoyable.

> you can simply move to a new workspace. Like the person to whom you're replying, I don't *want* another workspace, virtual desktop, or anything of the sort. Ever. So a system built around a model of "simply move to a new workspace" doesn't work for me. Period.

Well, is it logical, if you buy an EV, and then complain it does not sound like a sports car?

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by iammattmurphy »

> macOS

This is the most counter-intuitive, user-unfriendly, confusing piece of software that I’ve used in my life.

Insane hyperbole in my opinion. Most of his complaints are that of a power user, and because it’s missing something he liked from Gnome. Fair enough I guess, the stuff he talks about does sound nice.

Later on in the article:

> The macOS itself isn’t all that bad.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by sparky4pro »

ayaros wrote: post #27
wrs wrote: post #4

Hey MacOS switchers, welcome. Please know that closing the last window doesn’t quit the application. Quitting the application quits the application. That’s why the icon is still in the dock.

That's literally the default behavior in macOS, with some exceptions.

To switch the app/window closing behavior… there is an API for that.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by saturn_vk »

reddalo wrote: post #43
al_borland wrote: post #10

I will never get used to Gnomes lack of native support for minimizing windows. I actually had to lookup how they expected users to manage windows, as it was not obvious to me. Apparently you’re supposed to move windows to another virtual desktop to get them out of the way. As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention th…

I agree. GNOME 2 was simple and beautiful. Then it became completely unusable. It looks like it's been designed by someone who never has to use a computer.

> completely unusable

You forgot „for me“

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by t_mahmood »

amluto wrote: post #31
nik736 wrote: post #7

What I am missing with Gnome is the global menu I have with macOS. It's just my preferred way of working. This is also what I liked about Unity. Gnome seems to follow the same direction as Windows. Additionally miller columns in Finder are just awesome and I don't have them with Nautilus. Those two things are honestly dealbreakers for me.

I would much prefer if MacOS got rid of the global menu. I've contemplated it for literally decades, and my opinion has only gotten stronger. 1. Sometimes a program has no open windows. Understanding when its menu shows up in the menu bar is confusing at best. Explaining to another user "oh, you are in [such and such program already] even though there's nothing there -- click File then Open" is silly. 2. Sometimes a…

In Gnome, the top bar stays in the Primary monitor only, and worse, even the app switcher always displays on Primary monitor, NO MATTER which monitor you are in! Which is absolutely infuriating. I can't imagine how messy the Global menu could be in a multi monitor setup. Why would one want that pain!

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by WD-42 »

jetbalsa wrote: post #45
Lapel2742 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention that has been around for decades (even in past versions of Gnome). As someone who uses Gnome simply because IMHO the alternatives like KDE are worse, I came to the conclusion that these people do not work on desktop computers. It feels like an interface designed for tablets…

I'm a KDE User, by no means a power user. I would love to know what makes KDE Worse over GNOME, I come from Windows Land so its workflows tended to work best for me. but I can see from a MacOS User how GNOME might fit their habits better.

It’s the Klutter. Apps with unnecessary taskbars, buttons and menus all over the place. Inconsistent ui. Not exactly great on screen real estate. I think they are making progress but the difference between kde /qt and gnome/gtk is still jarring.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by sparky4pro »

nlkl wrote: post #65
ayaros wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's literally the default behavior in macOS, with some exceptions.

I think the above post must refer to how it works in MacOS. In Gnome, the app quits when the last window is closed (by default at least). I guess this is a matter of taste, but personally I strongly dislike the way MacOS works here.

This is not a macOS issue, it’s an app developer issue. If the app developer likes the behavior that the app still runs after closing the last app window, this is how the app will act. Some newer Apple apps close the application when the window is closed.
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