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Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by kentonv »

al_borland wrote: post #10

I will never get used to Gnomes lack of native support for minimizing windows. I actually had to lookup how they expected users to manage windows, as it was not obvious to me. Apparently you’re supposed to move windows to another virtual desktop to get them out of the way. As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention th…

What's the difference between "minimize" and "hide"? "Hide" is readily available in the context menu of a window (right-click on its toolbar).

(Personally I rarely hide anything, I just have a messy stack of a zillion windows all the time... but I suppose that's not for everyone.)

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by kentonv »

joelthelion wrote: post #19
jghn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can simply move to a new workspace. Like the person to whom you're replying, I don't *want* another workspace, virtual desktop, or anything of the sort. Ever. So a system built around a model of "simply move to a new workspace" doesn't work for me. Period.

Then Gnome isn't for you. It's an opiniated desktop, you have to accept its way of doing things.

I don't use workspaces and I've been a happy gnome user for decades...

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by 0ld »

al_borland wrote: post #10

I will never get used to Gnomes lack of native support for minimizing windows. I actually had to lookup how they expected users to manage windows, as it was not obvious to me. Apparently you’re supposed to move windows to another virtual desktop to get them out of the way. As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention th…

it’s just better "think different" than macos

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by rectang »

amelius wrote: post #11
nik736 wrote: post #7

What I am missing with Gnome is the global menu I have with macOS. It's just my preferred way of working. This is also what I liked about Unity. Gnome seems to follow the same direction as Windows. Additionally miller columns in Finder are just awesome and I don't have them with Nautilus. Those two things are honestly dealbreakers for me.

I like that Unity puts the global menu on the side. This makes more sense with all the wide-screens that we have nowadays. A huge oversight in MacOS, if you ask me.

I agree that the side is better and would be a better default. For the record, the location of the MacOS Dock is configurable — I have mine on the right.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by Lapel2742 »

al_borland wrote: post #10

I will never get used to Gnomes lack of native support for minimizing windows. I actually had to lookup how they expected users to manage windows, as it was not obvious to me. Apparently you’re supposed to move windows to another virtual desktop to get them out of the way. As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention th…

> As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention that has been around for decades (even in past versions of Gnome).

As someone who uses Gnome simply because IMHO the alternatives like KDE are worse, I came to the conclusion that these people do not work on desktop computers. It feels like an interface designed for tablets and laptops you operate by some swipe gestures.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by paulbgd »

Citizen_Lame wrote: post #8
paulbgd wrote: post #3

Totally agree. Lots of friends who game have been asking for advice on linux now that they don’t want to update to windows 10. I’ll show them both gnome and plasma, and they’ll usually try kde then switch to gnome because it’s so darn easy to use. It’s opinionated, the settings app is easy to navigate (with the downside being, tweaks/gsettings is needed), and simple stuff like shutting down/switching audio input/wifi…

Said no one ever. GNOME is barely a desktop at this point. You need buggy extensions just to restore basic functionality, which says everything. In many ways, GNOME has become the epitome of a FOSS misfire: opinionated to a fault, driven by a loud minority, and offering users less choice instead of more. Plasma, on the other hand, has made huge strides in usability, performance, and overall polish. It feels modern, e…

I like plasma as well, my main complaints with it rn are

- configuring stuff like the task bar has always been buggy, the drag/drop frustratingly won't drop stuff in the right place, I've even had to completely log out to fix being locked in the editing mode earlier this year

- settings app goes deep and it makes it harder to find simple stuff. one example for my friends is when they wanted to turn on gsync/freesync, the toggle for it on gnome is right inside of refresh rate like you'd expect

- I hate to say this because I know it's gnome/gtk's fault, but apps on gnome look much more consistent for me than apps on plasma. gtk apps don't look good, qt apps don't look good, and plasma apps do look pretty good but they're in the minority. It has been a year since I've tried ricing KDE though, so I'd accept if this has gotten better

I don't totally agree with the extensions thing, the only one I use is quake terminal so that I can have ghostty pop up (since gnome doesn't support the protocol needed for that to work natively) and I consider myself a pretty technical user. Even on plasma I like a lot of the gnome apps like nautilus for being opinionated/polished. it's been a struggle to get a good feeling environment on plasma without a lot of tinkering (which to its credit, is doable!) whereas gnome feels pretty good ootb

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by ayaros »

wrs wrote: post #4

Hey MacOS switchers, welcome. Please know that closing the last window doesn’t quit the application. Quitting the application quits the application. That’s why the icon is still in the dock.

That's literally the default behavior in macOS, with some exceptions.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by MengerSponge »

kentonv wrote: post #21
al_borland wrote: post #10

I will never get used to Gnomes lack of native support for minimizing windows. I actually had to lookup how they expected users to manage windows, as it was not obvious to me. Apparently you’re supposed to move windows to another virtual desktop to get them out of the way. As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention th…

What's the difference between "minimize" and "hide"? "Hide" is readily available in the context menu of a window (right-click on its toolbar). (Personally I rarely hide anything, I just have a messy stack of a zillion windows all the time... but I suppose that's not for everyone.)

Minimize affects a single window. I expect for "hide" to hide all windows associated with an application.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by m-hodges »

mycall wrote: post #6

People don't use macOS for its window shell but for it's familiarity, ecosystem and underlying technology. There are plenty of windowing upgrades from third-party vendors that improve on it.

The number one thing keeping me on macOS is Universal Clipboard with my iPhone. I copy+paste URLs, 2FA codes, and images between devices all day long.

Re: Gnome is better macOS than macOS

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Post by samtheprogram »

al_borland wrote: post #10

I will never get used to Gnomes lack of native support for minimizing windows. I actually had to lookup how they expected users to manage windows, as it was not obvious to me. Apparently you’re supposed to move windows to another virtual desktop to get them out of the way. As someone who has never really clicked with virtual desktop, this doesn’t work for me. This feels like such a glaring omission of a convention th…

I never minimize windows. They are almost always full screen or split screen (unless I'm quickly grabbing a file in a Nautilus/Finder/Explorer window), and I just hide windows if I really need to. The same is true for macOS.

Forget what I do in Windows, been a couple years since I daily drove it.

I wonder if that's because I've used macOS and Gnome more than Windows for the last decade -- because its confusing as hell to cmd/alt-tab back to an app or click it in the dock and for its window to not appear because you minimized it rather than hiding it. When that happens, it usually takes 30 seconds until I realize the app is hiding in the task bar or dock.

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