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Re: Heretic: Automatic censorship removal for language models

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Post by jeremyjh »

wat10000 wrote: post #296
jeremyjh wrote: post #170

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They did it in book two, Player of Games. They destroyed the Empire of Azad because they considered it a distant ideological threat.

I never got the impression they thought Azad could ever be any sort of threat. They destroyed the power structure because it was horrifically abusive.

Yes, biggest minds in the galaxy and their best idea is to run the George Bush playbook. What was the aftermath of destroying the governance of such an advanced civilization? Did millions die in civil wars and famine afterward or did they stick around for decades doing nation building and spreading freedom with autonomous attack drones?

Re: Heretic: Automatic censorship removal for language models

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Post by sigmoid10 »

hirako2000 wrote: post #289
sigmoid10 wrote: post #226

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It actually works the same as on google. As in, ChatGPT will happily give you a link to a site with the lyrics without issue (regardless whether the third party site provider has any rights or not). But in the search/chat itself, you can only see snippets or small sections, not the entire text.

1. chatgpt is the publisher, Google is a search engine, links to publishers. 2. LLMs typically don't produce content verbatim. Some LLMs do provide references but it remains a pasta of sentences worded differently. You are asking for gpt to publish verbatim content which may be copyrighted, it would be deemed infringement since non verbatim is already crossing the line.

Noone said it couldn't do that. In fact ChatGPT can do both. They just limit the direct content recital, because it is a weird area for copyright and Google also got burned for this already in some countries.

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Post by 7bit »

fer wrote: post #233
7bit wrote: post #191

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ChatGPT refuses to do any sexual explicit content and used to refuse to translate e.g. insults (moral views/attitudes towards literal interaction). DeepSeek refuses to answer any questions about Taiwan (political views).

Haven't tested the latest DeepSeek versions, but the first release wasn't censored as a model on Taiwan. The issue is that if you use their app (as opposed to locally), it replaces the ongoing response with "sorry can't help" once it starts saying things contrary to the CCP dogma.

Yeah it was. I ran it locally just after release and it didn't answer anything related to Taiwan or Tiana men Square.

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Post by foxglacier »

kortex wrote: post #332
foxglacier wrote: post #239

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> it's mostly correct Wow. Surely you've wondered why almost no society anywhere ever had liberalism a much as western countries in the past half century or so? Maybe it's technology or maybe it's only mostly correct if you don't care about the existential risks it creates for the societies practicing it.

Counterpoint: Can you name a societal system that doesn't create or potentially create existential risks?

Islam

Re: Heretic: Automatic censorship removal for language models

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Post by foxglacier »

astrange wrote: post #246
foxglacier wrote: post #239

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> it's mostly correct Wow. Surely you've wondered why almost no society anywhere ever had liberalism a much as western countries in the past half century or so? Maybe it's technology or maybe it's only mostly correct if you don't care about the existential risks it creates for the societies practicing it.

It's technology. Specifically communications technology.

Since every culture now has access to communication technology, do you think liberalism is the right way for the whole world to behave? You want to eradicate all the illiberal cultures of people in poor countries and think that those people will be better off for it?

Anyway, my point is that liberalism is certainly not obviously right and it's probably wrong in many places, maybe even in the west too but we don't know because any possible societal collapse would come in the future. Westerners are already suffering from something as shown by declining happiness and it's possible that's caused by liberalism. Not saying it is but it could be and it's arrogant to assume that LLMs believe it because they somehow know it's actually right.

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