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Kids who own smartphones before age 13 have worse mental health outcomes: Study

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Re: Kids who own smartphones before age 13 have worse mental health outcomes: Study

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Post by integralid »

ch4s3 wrote: post #28
stopbulying wrote: post #2

Is owning a smartphone more or less dangerous than owning a cat? "Cat Ownership Linked to Increased Risk of Schizophrenia, Research Suggests" https://www.sciencealert.com/owning-a-cat-could-double-your-... > "After adjusting for covariates, we found that individuals exposed to cats had approximately twice the odds of developing schizophrenia,"

That article is junk. The leading cause of Toxoplasma gondii infection in humans is under cooked meat. Cat ownership is not actually linked to higher prevalence of T. gondii infection[1]. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3497129/

And the second most common cause is - if I remember correctly - working a garden/field without gloves.

Re: Kids who own smartphones before age 13 have worse mental health outcomes: Study

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Post by phito »

gblargg wrote: post #47
skylurk wrote: post #3

Soon: Adults who have smartphones have worse mental heath outcomes: Study Whatever the safe level of smartphone usage is, most of us are above it.

> Whatever the safe level of smartphone usage is, most of us are above it. I think I'm immunized from it because I hate using smartphones, especially when I'm at home and could be doing the task on a PC with a big screen and keyboard. I have a few but just use them for practical tasks when away from home (occasional text, deliveries on porch, looking something up in the store, listening to podcasts, to do list for th…

Starting at a bigger screen doesn't make it better

Re: Kids who own smartphones before age 13 have worse mental health outcomes: Study

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Post by ksynwa »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #54
skylurk wrote: post #3

Soon: Adults who have smartphones have worse mental heath outcomes: Study Whatever the safe level of smartphone usage is, most of us are above it.

Is "smartphone usage" merely a proxy for "social media usage"? When I got my first smartphone almost two decades ago as a 16yo, I used it mostly to play with the system, write my own UIs, debug system daemon issues, tinker with bootloaders and ended up contributing to a community distro for it. It was a fun computer in my pocket that taught me a lot and a massive upgrade over earlier phones where I had to use Opera M…

It is and it is an accurate proxy. 99.9% of smartphone users are not doing hackerman stuff on the phone.

Re: Kids who own smartphones before age 13 have worse mental health outcomes: Study

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Post by seba_dos1 »

ksynwa wrote: post #63
seba_dos1 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is "smartphone usage" merely a proxy for "social media usage"? When I got my first smartphone almost two decades ago as a 16yo, I used it mostly to play with the system, write my own UIs, debug system daemon issues, tinker with bootloaders and ended up contributing to a community distro for it. It was a fun computer in my pocket that taught me a lot and a massive upgrade over earlier phones where I had to use Opera M…

It is and it is an accurate proxy. 99.9% of smartphone users are not doing hackerman stuff on the phone.

Looking at sibling comments going "it doesn't affect me cause I browse social media on big screen", it seems like using this proxy brings more confusion than good.

Re: Kids who own smartphones before age 13 have worse mental health outcomes: Study

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Post by isodev »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #54
skylurk wrote: post #3

Soon: Adults who have smartphones have worse mental heath outcomes: Study Whatever the safe level of smartphone usage is, most of us are above it.

Is "smartphone usage" merely a proxy for "social media usage"? When I got my first smartphone almost two decades ago as a 16yo, I used it mostly to play with the system, write my own UIs, debug system daemon issues, tinker with bootloaders and ended up contributing to a community distro for it. It was a fun computer in my pocket that taught me a lot and a massive upgrade over earlier phones where I had to use Opera M…

> Is "smartphone usage" merely a proxy for "social media usage"?

I think yes, since the App Store and anything involving likes/up-down votes/karma (sorry) and basically any form of reward for posting or consuming content.

Re: Kids who own smartphones before age 13 have worse mental health outcomes: Study

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Post by jackvalentine »

gblargg wrote: post #48
BrenBarn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My anecdotal observations suggest it's pretty different. One thing is you can (and do, if you're a kid) carry it everywhere with you and stare at it all the time. I think the phone UI where each app takes over the whole screen also increases the impact of the worst sorts of apps (like TikTok).

Interesting observation about everything effectively running in full-screen on a smartphone, taking it out of the larger context of whatever else you were doing before that.

Very! I’ll be thinking about that for a while.

Re: Kids who own smartphones before age 13 have worse mental health outcomes: Study

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Post by rightbyte »

tombert wrote: post #23
skylurk wrote: post #3

Soon: Adults who have smartphones have worse mental heath outcomes: Study Whatever the safe level of smartphone usage is, most of us are above it.

I keep debating trying to go full-dumbphone, but I'm confident what would happen is that it would work great until I need a specific thing for whatever reason, and I'd have to buy an Android or iPhone, and then I'd be forced to carry around two devices and potentially have two separate cell phone plans. This seems like a pain in the ass. But I don't dispute that waking up in the morning to a bunch of things competing…

> This seems like a pain in the ass.

If you want to limit screen time pain is a feature not a bug though.

Re: Kids who own smartphones before age 13 have worse mental health outcomes: Study

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Post by xandrius »

tombert wrote: post #23
skylurk wrote: post #3

Soon: Adults who have smartphones have worse mental heath outcomes: Study Whatever the safe level of smartphone usage is, most of us are above it.

I keep debating trying to go full-dumbphone, but I'm confident what would happen is that it would work great until I need a specific thing for whatever reason, and I'd have to buy an Android or iPhone, and then I'd be forced to carry around two devices and potentially have two separate cell phone plans. This seems like a pain in the ass. But I don't dispute that waking up in the morning to a bunch of things competing…

Just do it, it's not that hard. Also don't go for a full fledged plan for the non-dumb phone (or for the dumb one). Pick one as the main outside and live with the downsides of it too.

We tend to forget that we didn't always have Google maps to help us, so we would ask a stranger for directions, we would have to wait before being able to call someone, etc.

Re: Kids who own smartphones before age 13 have worse mental health outcomes: Study

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Post by bdangubic »

macintux wrote: post #49
ekropotin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d guess it’s very different from how most of the people consume content. The problem with smartphone is that it’s always on you wherever you go, and the temptation to use it for filling every second of boredom is just too strong. iPads/laptops on another hand are just too bulky for carrying them around - in a minute of boredom you have to take deliberate action to go and grab it from whatever place it’s right now.…

I solved the social media problem by leaving social media. Not viable for everyone, sadly.

it is 100% viable for everyone other than people that make a living there
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