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McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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It is unusual to see young people make the choices to not turn into patients. It costs very little to eat mostly lentils/legumes/nuts/yogurt/vegetables, and drink mostly water without carbs dissolved in it, but no business is going to survive selling those things.

Where is the next cheap lentils/legumes/nuts/yogurt/vegetables fast food restaurant? I think it's a weird concept of a society where all the parts of it with money are directing people to do one thing - but at the same time, the people are expected to do the exact opposite and it's their own fault if they follow the coercion...

There are such restaurants around here in Europe but they are super expensive, so you are better off doing it on your own at home.

Cooking a stew of lentils or any other legumes is very easy and does not consume that much time either, and you can cook for 3 days easily.

Why are people not doing this?

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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Microwaving fresh bread... WHAT?? You gotta drop a recipe or something, that is fascinating

You can use a traditional recipe, e.g. wheat flour + 75% water by mass + salt + either yeast or baking powder (e.g. for 500 grams of flour either 7 grams of instant dry yeast or 10 grams of baking powder), then you knead the dough for a few minutes (until the dough becomes homogeneous, elastic and sticky; after you do it a few times it becomes very easy to recognize the moment when you have kneaded enough) and when u…

Thanks for the infodump. This sounds insane to me but I'm 100% going to try it.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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Absolutely. I feel bad for young people growing up in this broken world. They will never even know what was taken from them. I realize that I’m probably going to get dogpiled for saying it, but I think that the response to COVID (ie lockdowns) did far more damage than the disease itself.

I don't understand why people still blame the lockdowns. When the lockdowns started, it was unknown how dangerous Covid actually was. It could have killed 20%, or reduced lifespan by 30%, or something. Nobody knew. It takes 20/20 hindsight to blame lockdowns for what was a generational catastrophe. It's like blaming shelter in place requirements instead of the bombing of the reich.

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Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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Its worth noting that you don't need to avoid meat if the goal is to avoid being a pharmaceutical patient.

Meat is more expensive though and GP was talking about a low cost healthy diet.

At least in my area, good quality meat isn't any more expensive than good quality produce. By "good meat" I mean at least pasture raised, and by "good produce" I mean at least organic.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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"People don't want to spend $9 for a Big Mac" No shot?

When I was a boy quite a few decades ago, McDonald's finally came to Tampa.

Burger King already had a few locations in other towns after getting started in Miami, and they were a bit like after-school soda shops of the 1950's that Northerners were more accustomed to. Which most people don't realize had not existed up until then in Florida because of the very small fraction of students and young people in general compared to all other states.

There were no Whoppers yet or fancy logo but they did have an overhead sign with a jolly fat king sitting on a burger with lettuce and tomato. Which you got for 10 cents. Burger King was just trying to become a chain. A major attraction at the time was of course the air-conditioning, which was seldom seen outside of banks and supermarkets at this early time. The meat was not as small as the major chain at the time, Royal Castle, which had locations up the East Coast. Royal Castle was very much like the Krystal mini-burgers from the Northeast, they were 9 cents in Florida and most kids would have no less than 2 or 3. These were small tiled breakfast/lunch/"dinner" grills that served any of their fare around-the-clock. The one in our neighborhood even had a jukebox like we figured was real common up North.

Most tourists from the Northeast never took the Turnpike or even considered passing through Orlando before Disney World was built, so they all came down US-1, and it was dotted with Royal Castles all the way to Miami, people would stop in any time on a long drive for coffee, on the door it said "open 29 hours a day". This was when 7-11 was only open from 7am to 11pm (not Sunday though) and nothing else had shopping hours that late. Gas stations closed Sundays and at night too, and self-service pumping was still not the least bit primed for consideration since the arrival of the automobile. When I was about 10 I kind of figured that the Royal Castles had only been there about 10 years themselves, without threat of a hurricane up until that time, when one was on the way they had to scramble to put locks on the doors because they had never closed before.

Anyway, people knew McDonalds was going to be a California-style approach and it was not near downtown, not far but on then-undeveloped property and you could see it as they built the characteristic golden arches. Big tiles too, not the small ones. They were proud of their growth and often updated their signs with the increasing number of hamburgers sold, striving for their first million.

When they opened of course they had the longest french fries anybody had ever seen. Sticking way out of the smallest little paper sack that looked so absurd it actually got people's attention. No large orders of fries, and Big Macs were not even a dream, nothing but regular hamburgers in the white wrapper for 12 cents, cheeseburgers in the yellow wrapper for 15 cents, fries and Cokes for 10 cents, shakes 13 or 14 cents, slightly more than a burger. Grilled with onions, plus mustard, ketchup, and pickles on every one assembly-line style, and not nearly as small as the mini-burgers, but they were always ready when you got there, and nobody had realistically thought about drive-through yet.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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These articles deliberately skew reality to fit an anti-worker narrative. All the focus is on costs of labor and materials, with not one single sentence devoted to McDonald’s own financials - like the growth of their margins, the share buybacks performed, the executive compensation, or the franchising model itself. When I was rallying for a higher minimum wage and was challenged on it driving up costs, I made it abun…

This has been the story in the US for a few decades now. You can’t have nice things that other developed countries take as a given like higher lineage, healthcare, higher education, public infrastructure, etc because of profit, exec compensation, stock buybacks and all the rest.

To suggest decreasing those is akin to treason.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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You can use a traditional recipe, e.g. wheat flour + 75% water by mass + salt + either yeast or baking powder (e.g. for 500 grams of flour either 7 grams of instant dry yeast or 10 grams of baking powder), then you knead the dough for a few minutes (until the dough becomes homogeneous, elastic and sticky; after you do it a few times it becomes very easy to recognize the moment when you have kneaded enough) and when u…

Thanks for the infodump. This sounds insane to me but I'm 100% going to try it.

Unleavened bread is trivial to make in this way. You weigh the water and the floor in the baking vessel, you mix them, then you bake.

Leavened bread is slightly more tricky, because you need to know how to knead.

For kneading dough made from 500 grams of wheat flour (high-protein flour, which is usually sold as "bread flour"), I use a big glass bowl and I knead with a single hand, while keeping the bowl in the other hand. This is much less messy than when kneading in the way used for big amounts of dough. At the beginning, kneading consists mostly of opening and closing the hand through the dough, while at the end it consists mostly in pulling the dough upwards, which becomes very elongated while one end of it sticks to the kneading bowl, then pressing again the dough into the bowl.

At the end of kneading, the dough becomes extremely sticky, so I keep ready a so-called "pie server" that I use to remove the dough from the hand that has been used for kneading, and for aiding in the transfer of dough from the kneading bowl to the baking vessel. The same pie server is also useful after baking, to detach the hot bread from the baking vessel.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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post #291

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Where is the next cheap lentils/legumes/nuts/yogurt/vegetables fast food restaurant? I think it's a weird concept of a society where all the parts of it with money are directing people to do one thing - but at the same time, the people are expected to do the exact opposite and it's their own fault if they follow the coercion...

There are such restaurants around here in Europe but they are super expensive, so you are better off doing it on your own at home. Cooking a stew of lentils or any other legumes is very easy and does not consume that much time either, and you can cook for 3 days easily. Why are people not doing this?

I think you are having a too black and white opinion on the issue. As a founder it is actually cheaper for me to spend 1000$ on restaurant and take-out food per week than wasting time cooking for myself. Plus you support local businesses by eating out

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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post #291

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Where is the next cheap lentils/legumes/nuts/yogurt/vegetables fast food restaurant? I think it's a weird concept of a society where all the parts of it with money are directing people to do one thing - but at the same time, the people are expected to do the exact opposite and it's their own fault if they follow the coercion...

There are such restaurants around here in Europe but they are super expensive, so you are better off doing it on your own at home. Cooking a stew of lentils or any other legumes is very easy and does not consume that much time either, and you can cook for 3 days easily. Why are people not doing this?

Most people aren't interested in a stew that you have to cook for 3 days easily. Even BBQ people expect low and slow to finish on the same day it starts. :p
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