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Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Post by holden_nelson »

jacobgkau wrote: post #144
robertakarobin wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had/have a lot of reservations about it too, and discussed it at length with our pediatrician over months of observation. We decided what was more horrifying was hearing a 7-year-old — who has supportive family and friends, good health, no traumatic events, no major life changes going on, never worries where food/shelter is coming from — say he feels like "he shouldn't be on Earth anymore" and suddenly react with…

I'd be more interested in where your 7-year-old even learned phrases like "I feel like I shouldn't be on Earth anymore."

He learned it from being on Earth? And noticing that some people who used to be on Earth aren’t anymore? And it dawning on him that he doesn’t have to be either?

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Post by H8crilA »

blastersyndrome wrote: post #212

When I was a teen I was put on Prozac because I threatened to commit suicide. The drug absolutely destroyed me. Within a few days of taking it, I was in a bizarre state of delirium where I would sleep something like 18 hours a day. When I wasn't asleep I would gnash my teeth at my parents. At school I would lash out at my classmates and randomly punch the walls of my classroom. I was taken off the drug after about fi…

I really hope you do or you will talk to someone about yourself again. You deserve it. For example to a counselor/therapist who doesn't even prescribe medication, if you are not interested in that. Off the top of my head these symptoms could match at least a few diagnoses, most of which are treatable, but it's by far not enough information in this post.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Post by purple_turtle »

DANmode wrote: post #169
purple_turtle wrote: post #118

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Can you link any evidence supporting this claim?

Beyond the links in other comments?

No, ones that would support your claim.

And at least mention terms you used.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Post by purple_turtle »

DANmode wrote: post #170
purple_turtle wrote: post #120

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Can you link any evidence supporting this claim? This term sounds like a standard-issue woo.

Replied to your other request too: see other comments, ask for what’s missing for you.

Links to materials that would support your claim.

And at least mention terms you used.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Post by purple_turtle »

DANmode wrote: post #155
purple_turtle wrote: post #117

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Your first linked page has no word "depression" on it

It wasn’t intended to. It was just the best “every man” link I could provide for understanding how efficacy of toxin-clearing (toxicity) could be related to depression, other struggles with homeostasis. Did you grasp the connection?

I am still waiting for something that would support your claim rather than mention something sort - of - related.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Post by muhis »

abraxas wrote: post #96
thebigspacefuck wrote: post #38

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Placebo can be life changing

Absolutely. These random namedrops of drugs are irritating. People respond to different psychiatric medications in wilddly different ways. And actually, the majority do not respond at all. Throwing a random name of some random medication helps absolutely nobody. It will just make some desperate people seek "this one drug" that they heard about on the internet.

That was an anecdote about the medication in question, not a random namedrop. Prozac is fluoxetine.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Post by holden_nelson »

robertakarobin wrote: post #108

I was very young when my mom started Prozac but do remember how angry and sad she was before compared to after. Years later there was a time when me and my sister noticed our mom was acting a bit strange -- more snappish and irritable than usual, and she even started dressing differently. Then at dinner she announced proudly that she had been off Prozac for a month. My sister and I looked at each other and at the sam…

I’m thoroughly impressed with how you handled the comments in this subthread. As someone who was on and off antidepressants for years, I can say confidently that for every one person spewing vitriol and judgement at you for your parenting decision, there was someone else solemnly nodding and sending love to you and your family. People just don’t fucking get it unless they get it. Best of luck to you.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Post by robertakarobin »

pizzafeelsright wrote: post #354
superb_dev wrote: post #341

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It sounds like you're actually teaching your children to hide their emotions from you

They're welcome to share their emotions but poor behavior isn't acceptable. Anger is fine. Yelling isn't. We'll talk it though. Tonight i got yelled at 3 times for not helping. I asked why I got yelled at. "Because I was angry". The anger wasn't justified but real so we discussed. I got a hug shortly after. No discipline. Just patience.

We take the same approach! While I don't agree that depression is laziness, we do teach that feeling sorry for yourself is akin to laziness. When we're disappointed about things not going the way we wanted we're allowed to grump about it for 5 minutes, but then it's time to brush ourselves off and move on.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Post by robertakarobin »

pizzafeelsright wrote: post #230
robertakarobin wrote: post #147

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Yes, us too. Beats us. Sure wasn't around our house, and we can't imagine any family/friends/TV/whatever he may have learned it from.

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> Depression is caused by laziness and anxiety by hopelessness.

Others have responded to the depression/laziness part -- I was wondering if you could clarify what you mean by anxiety being caused by hopelessness? To my way of thinking hopelessness and depression have a lot of overlap, but anxiety not so much... It's more like a feeling of dread.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

BeetleB wrote: post #175
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #161

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> "Having an objectively crappy life is normal. Being depressed about it isn't." Sounds like a philosophy more than a science. What does "normal" even mean in this context? Are we talking about something measurable? For instance, if the number of people who were depressed about those circumstances doubled (or quadrupled) would it then be normal, and there would be no reason to treat it (because it's normal)? If you h…

> If you have an objectively crappy life, but not just ignore it and instead are incapable of even noticing Noticing it is very different from being depressed about it. > What does "normal" even mean in this context? Are we talking about something measurable? Let's take a trivial example. Person A is depressed because he is unhappy that he doesn't make enough money to travel and buy nice cars. Now take all the people…

>Let's take a trivial example. Person A is depressed because he is unhappy that he doesn't make enough money to travel and buy nice cars. Now take all the people who are unhappy that they cannot afford to travel and buy nice cars. Most will not be depressed - they will merely be unhappy about it.

These two words are semantically the same in your context. Unhappy = depressed. Unless you can define something measurable, and if you did in the comment above I can't find it.

I suspect there is something measurable, but I don't see very much attempt at discerning what that is. And without it, this conversation is pointless.

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