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Post by andrewmlevy »

ponooqjoqo wrote: post #49
csense wrote: post #7

Anecdotally, two factors at work here: - Schools have stopped educating in favor of test metrics, making sure the worst students pass, and pushing borderline indoctrination of controversial, left-ish values. - With remote education during the pandemic, people have more visibility into their school's day-to-day teaching. It's hard to fix the US education system by political means. If you have the ability to do so, it'…

> pushing borderline indoctrination of controversial, left-ish values Which values? I haven't gone to school in a long time.

Lots of examples, gender identity and requiring ethnic studies (focusing on white male privilege, settler/colonial, putting groups into binary oppressor/oppressed). Also issues with requiring those classes vs not.

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Post by oceanplexian »

connicpu wrote: post #126
SauntSolaire wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does housing cost affect the cost for a school to educate a student? Are you saying it's the cost of paying for the school's real-estate?

It affects the minimum viable salary for a teacher to even be able to live in the city where you want to hire them to work, same for all the other support staff that make a school function.

I don’t buy that argument, there’s no reason a teacher in San Francisco can’t live in Oakland or Berkeley, or a teacher in NYC couldn’t live in NJ. You don’t have a human right to live in the most expensive real estate on Earth.

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Post by jen20 »

echelon_musk wrote: post #107
mcphage wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is a huge range of options between those two extremes! Which two extremes would those be?

Presumably the extremes of left and right?

(Which are, of course, far more similar than people that identify with either extreme would ever admit).

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Post by biophysboy »

broof wrote: post #78
biophysboy wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parents side with their kids all the time in pass/fail battles; they're not objective. Name the left values; don't beat around the bush. Observing remote education is not good visibility into pre-covid teaching. I think we have a responsibility to have educated citizens.

One example is in high school I had an excellent literature class that also covered a lot of philosophy. It wasn’t until later that I realized that the various philosophies we studied were the philosophies that are often foundational for Marxism, atheism, and general left of center academia. Probably the best class I had in high school but I wish it had also covered things on both sides, or been more transparent that…

Don't agree with this. Marx's Capital is filled with basic mathematical analyses. I don't agree with his labor theory of value, but I do think algebra is good.

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Post by variadix »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #110
jmathai wrote: post #11

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Having put 2 kids (10th and 8th grade now) through a couple school options…the socialization in schools is pretty bad. Kids from home schooling families we know are as polite or substantially more polite than those in the school system.

I've always thought that learning how to deal with people who are not as polite, and even kids that are downright scary, is an important aspect of socialization. They'll have to deal with those folks when they hit the real world too.

I.e. disassociating from those people? Isn’t that what homeschooling does inherently? It’s more likely that kids will pick up bad behaviors than they will learn to “deal with” those kinds of people.

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SauntSolaire wrote: post #112
triceratops wrote: post #106

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$28k doesn't go as far in San Francisco because of the insane cost of housing and everything else.

How does housing cost affect the cost for a school to educate a student? Are you saying it's the cost of paying for the school's real-estate?

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Post by Brendinooo »

ribosometronome wrote: post #99
Brendinooo wrote: post #87

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Most times I look this up, I see stuff like "[t]he home-educated typically score 15 to 25 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests". https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#Academic

Looking at the replies, I do not think the general complaint is that homeschooling is bad for test scores but social development and preparing kids for society outside the house. It definitely requires considerably more, active attention from parents. Perhaps some of these people here have both the time to be hold down a decent career and also tutor their child in multiple curricula that haven't been important to the…

>I do not think the general complaint is that homeschooling is bad for test scores

>Perhaps some of these people here have both the time to be hold down a decent career and also tutor their child in multiple curricula that haven't been important to them in decades

This reads as an inconsistency.

As for the social stuff - as I commented elsewhere, it's not hard to make a case that public school is bad for socialization as well. Which isn't to say that public school isn't irredeemable in that way, just that it's not like one or the other is an obviously correct choice.

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Post by gred »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #147

I can't say my public school experience was great, I was bullied and didn't really click with the popular kids, but being around a cross section of actual American kids in my age group (my school district mixed middle class with lower class neighborhoods) helped me shape my worldview and learn to deal with people who didn't look or talk like me. I frequently saw fights, so I learned that you just stay away and watch…

> I learned that the BS American value of "popularity" doesn't translate into successful futures.

Popularity is not an exclusively American concept. Just as public school broadened your horizons, so will traveling (or living) abroad.

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Post by jen20 »

biophysboy wrote: post #46

> When asked if they are satisfied with their children's education, public school parents consistently rank last after parents who choose private schools, homeschooling, and charter schools. Importantly, among all parents of school-age children, homeschooling enjoys a 70 percent favorability rating. This is not surprising: homeschoolers are extremely confident in their own teaching abilities and extremely cynical abo…

> Why would a parent think that their kid will never encounter political topics if they stay at home

They probably imagine they'll never encounter political topics from a perspective of which said parents do not approve. And they're probably not wrong to believe that.

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Post by righthand »

NY state just signed a bill to include ChatGPT in their learning and planning. Previously there were deals to bring in Google hardware for students.

Of course people are fleeing public schooling when we’re selling the kids to big tech for laptops and services that require network connection to write a word document, enable cheating, and their data sold for profit without consent.

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