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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by ninetyninenine »

a2tech wrote: post #46
embedding-shape wrote: post #22

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> It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing I think it looked like that, because the US always been very effective at propaganda, and until the internet and the web made it very easy for people to communicate directly with each other without the arms of media conglomerates. It's now clearer than ever that US never really believed in its own…

I’m an American and I can safely vouch that myself and most of the people I know deeply believe in the American ideals that have been presented as gospel for decades—fair play, hard work, rule of law, loving our neighbors (regardless of legal status), and to a one, believe that as soon as you swear your oath at the immigration court, you’re an American, regardless of the circumstances of your birth. The situation we…

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by hardlianotion »

delichon wrote: post #79
hardlianotion wrote: post #54

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It’s kind of hard to see how much more support the US could withdraw from Ukraine, judging by the last article I read that gave Ukraine until Thursday to accept the latest peace deal negotiated between USA and Russia. If we are in the world you describe, EU might as well do as it wants - its downside has been capped.

> It’s kind of hard to see how much more support the US could withdraw from Ukraine It would be a major blow to Ukraine if the US stops selling weapons to them via European buyers. There is a real threat of this if Trump feels the need to coerce Ukraine into supporting his peace plan.

I believe this is what is implied by the Thursday deadline. Article certainly implies this.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by RobotToaster »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #4
enlguy wrote: post #3

Only the U.S. would actually sanction someone for trying to indict a war criminal.

I don't think that's true. Lots of countries out there led by thugs. It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing (not that it always succeeded, but it did its best). Looks like that time has passed.

> It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously

The US took everyone's gold under the bretton woods system, and then Nixon "temporarily" ended dollar gold convertibility when France asked for it's gold back.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by ninetyninenine »

dominicq wrote: post #21

This is infuriating. The EU should block US sanctions violating EU interests. I'm also definitely moving my personal stuff out of US and into EU, starting with Gmail.

Eh it’s not like the EU is some moral paragon either. Trade one overlord for another. I’ll stick with the overlord that’s most convenient.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by ninetyninenine »

pfdietz wrote: post #31
aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #19

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How is is defence relevant in this article? This is abusing of the private sector monopoly of alot of internet infrastructure. Nothing of this is military in nature.

If Europe weren't militarily dependent they'd be less subservient on this and other positions. As the US becomes less ideologically predisposed to defend Europe, expect the US to take more advantage of the dependency, as the threat to walk away will become more real.

Why does the EU need the US military? China and Ukraine mostly?

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by rzerowan »

nmridul wrote: post #6

> ..... he calls on the EU to activate an existing blocking regulation (Regulation (EC) No 2271/96) for the International Criminal Court, which prevents third countries like the USA from enforcing sanctions in the EU. EU companies would then no longer be allowed to comply with US sanctions if they violate EU interests. Companies that violate this would then be liable for damages. That is from that article..

Im going to go ahead and predict that the EU will not risk it.If it were China ? maybe they would pull the lever to activate this counter.

Previously when the US reneged on the JCPOA viz Iran , they had a similar law/faclity that theoreticall could have been used but never was.

As an addition the EU Commission is currently imposing pretty similar sanction on a Journalist [1] so yeah i dont see much movement on that law being used.Most likely they will try to wait it out.

[1] https://www.public.news/p/eu-travel-ban-on-three-journalists

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Post by breppp »

watwut wrote: post #67
breppp wrote: post #32

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do you define the dresden firebombings or the hiroshima nuclear attack as genocide?

Neither was genocide, neither in outcome nor in intention. You could argue about "mass killing" or some such. Dresden firebombings did not attempted to eliminate German nation as such. It does not matter how actual nazi try to frame it as similar to holocaust, it was not nearly close. And same goes for Hiroshima. It was not an attempt to eliminate Japanese people out of existence.

yes, that is my point. Israeli bombings of Gaza were far more precise and less directed at a civilian population

also the population was warned to evacuate in advance, nothing that the germans or japanese had the benefit of

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by breppp »

netsharc wrote: post #56
breppp wrote: post #32

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do you define the dresden firebombings or the hiroshima nuclear attack as genocide?

Is this how you win the arguments in your head? Your opponent uses the word "genocide", you concluded turning Gaza into rubble with kids and many more innocents underneath them doesn't fit the term "genocide", and you further conclude whatever claim your opponent is trying to make is wrong, and therefore there aren't a few hundred thousand dead civilians, ah the whole accusation is just fictional, they all actually l…

no, I am saying war is not genocide. And protecting your own civilians from very real death squads going on executing rampage is not "genocide" it's called war, which might be terrible but sometimes you can't evade

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by breppp »

forgetfulness wrote: post #41
breppp wrote: post #32

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do you define the dresden firebombings or the hiroshima nuclear attack as genocide?

Israel hasn’t gotten fire bombed or nuked. What’s the parallel with the WW2 Axis Powers here?

Israel's bombing campaign in Gaza is thought by some to be "genocide", though it was far less destructive, more precise and not aimed at a civilian population as compared to the above
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