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Re: New Glenn Update

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Post by GuB-42 »

irjustin wrote: post #38

I REALLY wish they would stop displaying ft, mi, lbs. It actually angers me.

I am the first to complain about imperial units but this article is mostly metric. As long as metric/SI is there, I have no problem with what they chose to show next to it, including swimming pools, football fields and Hiroshima bombs.

Also feet happen to be the standard measurement of altitude in aviation, which rockets are part of, even in metric countries, I hate it but it's like that. Distances are nautical miles, a not so bad unit (it corresponds to 1 arcminute on earth), which make me hate the use of terrestrial miles in articles partaking to aviation even more. But it is a bit offtopic here because most of the article is metric.

Re: New Glenn Update

#102

Post by ahoka »

RealityVoid wrote: post #87
nancyminusone wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good lord, find something else to be angry about. Decades of metric vs imperial threads should have you convinced by now that no matter how hated they are, these units aren't going away any time soon.

Not with this attitude they won't!

OK, but is that attitude in radians or degrees?

Re: New Glenn Update

#103

Post by lnenad »

buu700 wrote: post #76
nancyminusone wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good lord, find something else to be angry about. Decades of metric vs imperial threads should have you convinced by now that no matter how hated they are, these units aren't going away any time soon.

Intel should announce their new 40ni (40-nanoinch) process node next April Fools' Day.

If one byte equals one grain of rice it would have a bandwidth of 7.47millioncups/s

Re: New Glenn Update

#104

Post by ahoka »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #84
gedy wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why use English instead of Esperanto?

I don't understand why this is being downvoted. I would love if metric were used universally, but I don't really see any difference between that and wanting a single language to be used universally. In fact, the cost of different languages is certainly much higher than different systems of units. Converting between systems of units is just trivial arithmetic after all.

Because it is a false dichotomy.

Re: New Glenn Update

#105

Post by crawshaw »

pinewurst wrote: post #71
dotnet00 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

New Glenn is manufactured with a different philosophy, so Blue can't be Starship levels of cavalier with testing. It would cost way too much to do with their current approach. The factory tours for the two show this difference. New Glenn production is a lot more classical aerospace in terms of a high tech cleanroom factory being built from the start, versus a rocket that started out being built in tents that is slowl…

Even old space got further in 20 years than Blue Origin.

That is clearly not true. SLS is much more expensive by any measure and is not reusable in any way. Other interesting work, e.g. rocket lab, is not old space.

Re: New Glenn Update

#106

Post by notahacker »

jdranczewski wrote: post #99
sam_goody wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I split my time between Europe and the US, and I am totally not convinced that metric is better. Some things are ridiculously better in the imperial system - like temperature: In Fahrenheit, 0 is roughly the coldest mean day in densely inhabited areas, and 100 is the hottest. In Metric, 0 is the freezing point of water at sea level in ambient temperatures and with a low barometer reading, 100 is boiling in the same c…

I've always found the weather argument somewhat unconvincing, because 0°C being the freezing point of water is very much a useful point of reference in weather contexts - it's roughly where one may expect iced-over pavements and rain to turn to snow! And then the higher temperatures are a question of getting used to it - 40°C instead of 100°F is very very warm, 30 is pretty hot, 20 is reasonably warm, etc. But then I…

Yeah, frankly Celsius is very easy for weather temperatures in temperate environments. Snow and ice is approx 0, room temperature approx 20, a hot summer's day approx 30 and it won't reach 40 unless you go on holiday in a desert region. Easy to approximate on a small range (and the nominal extra precision of Fahrenheit is illusory for talking about weather anyway because you care far more about humidity and wind than sub 1 Celsius differences)

Re: New Glenn Update

#107

Post by palata »

sam_goody wrote: post #93
irjustin wrote: post #38

I REALLY wish they would stop displaying ft, mi, lbs. It actually angers me.

I split my time between Europe and the US, and I am totally not convinced that metric is better. Some things are ridiculously better in the imperial system - like temperature: In Fahrenheit, 0 is roughly the coldest mean day in densely inhabited areas, and 100 is the hottest. In Metric, 0 is the freezing point of water at sea level in ambient temperatures and with a low barometer reading, 100 is boiling in the same c…

I am ready to bet big that you would never hear that kind of opinions from someone who learned the metric system first. Am I right in your case?

As someone who grew up with metric, my opinion is that nothing that imperial people claim is unintuitive with metric is, in fact, unintuitive to me. Nothing. And I tried hard. We're used to what we're used to :-).

> Some things are ridiculously better in the imperial system - like temperature

This says that you grew up with imperial, I'm convinced of it!

> In fact, I strongly decry that we teach our kids to use base 10 instead of the much more efficient and easier to divde into fractions of base 12.

What's the argument there? That because you can divide 12 by 2, 3, 4 makes it vastly easier than 10, because 10 you can only divide by 2 and 5? How does that make it easier to learn fractions? What about the fact that in metric, a centimeter is 1/100 of a meter, and a millimeter is 1/1000 of a meter? Those are fractions, right?

Just to make it clear: I am not claiming anything about imperial being ridiculous; I totally understand that if you grew up with it, then it's intuitive to you. What I don't understand, really, is all those imperial people who just cannot seem to apprehend the idea that maybe, just maybe, they are biased because imperial is what they know better. Is it that hard? It makes me concerned about cultural differences... do those people realise that others may have different cultures, and that it is okay and not ridiculous?

PS: I upvoted you because I don't find it fair that you get so many downvotes for an innocent opinion. I don't share your opinion, but it's not offensive or anything like that :-).

Re: New Glenn Update

#108

Post by notahacker »

dotnet00 wrote: post #73
pinewurst wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even old space got further in 20 years than Blue Origin.

Did I miss a privately funded, reusable heavy lift rocket coming out of old space in the past 20 years?

I guess it depends on which decade you look at. The Saturn and Shuttle programmes achieved more novelty for the time on faster timelines. Of course, they also cost a lot more....

Re: New Glenn Update

#109

Post by ahoka »

nancyminusone wrote: post #51
irjustin wrote: post #38

I REALLY wish they would stop displaying ft, mi, lbs. It actually angers me.

Good lord, find something else to be angry about. Decades of metric vs imperial threads should have you convinced by now that no matter how hated they are, these units aren't going away any time soon.

A pet peeve of mine is that the US doesn't actually use "imperial units", as those were established by the Brits well after the declaration of independence.
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