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Re: Apple Maps up to five times more data efficient than Google Maps

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Post by taligent » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 12:18 AM UTC

capo wrote: post #22

taligent wrote: post #18

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Calm down. Everyone is just calling it Google Maps out of simplicity. And yes it is vector on Android which was rumored to be one of the reasons Apple even started on this whole maps adventure. Because Google wasn't willing to license the vector data to give Android a competitive advantage.

I'm just a bit bothered by this phenomena of discovering features on the iPhone that were present on Android for ages and then attributing them to Apple: the notifications shade, voice input, voice actions, the ability to answer phone calls with canned texts, and now maps among many other things. Many in the press keep omitting the fact that Android did it first, which I think is important in this climate where Apple…

I'm just a bit bothered by this phenomena of discovering features on Android that were present on Palm phones for ages and then attributing them to Android: voice input, voice actions, the ability to answer phone calls with canned texts, and now maps among many other things.

You have heard of Palm, right ?

Re: Apple Maps up to five times more data efficient than Google Maps

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Post by capo » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 12:22 AM UTC

taligent wrote: post #31

capo wrote: post #22

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I'm just a bit bothered by this phenomena of discovering features on the iPhone that were present on Android for ages and then attributing them to Apple: the notifications shade, voice input, voice actions, the ability to answer phone calls with canned texts, and now maps among many other things. Many in the press keep omitting the fact that Android did it first, which I think is important in this climate where Apple…

I'm just a bit bothered by this phenomena of discovering features on Android that were present on Palm phones for ages and then attributing them to Android: voice input, voice actions, the ability to answer phone calls with canned texts, and now maps among many other things. You have heard of Palm, right ?

Neither have the press evidently.

Re: Apple Maps up to five times more data efficient than Google Maps

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Post by mparlane » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 12:27 AM UTC

jonursenbach wrote: post #30

recoiledsnake wrote: post #14

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How would you infer that from the title? Bandwidth used by apps can and is frequently constant across platforms. Won't adding a "on iOS" at the end help clarify things?

It's assumed. If you can't grasp that, I'm sorry.

In the title two competing products are mentioned. Google Maps and Apple Maps.

The article is comparing iOS Google Maps to iOS Apple Maps. iOS Google Maps is not the same as the product Google Maps.

If you can't grasp the difference of those two, I'm sorry.

Re: Apple Maps up to five times more data efficient than Google Maps

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Post by modernshoggoth » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 12:37 AM UTC

taligent wrote: post #31

capo wrote: post #22

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I'm just a bit bothered by this phenomena of discovering features on the iPhone that were present on Android for ages and then attributing them to Apple: the notifications shade, voice input, voice actions, the ability to answer phone calls with canned texts, and now maps among many other things. Many in the press keep omitting the fact that Android did it first, which I think is important in this climate where Apple…

I'm just a bit bothered by this phenomena of discovering features on Android that were present on Palm phones for ages and then attributing them to Android: voice input, voice actions, the ability to answer phone calls with canned texts, and now maps among many other things. You have heard of Palm, right ?

The reason I dived into Android with so much relish was because it was so much like my Asus WinMo PDA. The TOMTOM maps on that was brilliant. GPS was way more accurate than Google Maps, both as in "determining what road you're on" and "pinpoint accuracy in the middle of nowhere".

Re: Apple Maps up to five times more data efficient than Google Maps

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Post by zarify » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 12:42 AM UTC

taligent wrote: post #31

capo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just a bit bothered by this phenomena of discovering features on the iPhone that were present on Android for ages and then attributing them to Apple: the notifications shade, voice input, voice actions, the ability to answer phone calls with canned texts, and now maps among many other things. Many in the press keep omitting the fact that Android did it first, which I think is important in this climate where Apple…

I'm just a bit bothered by this phenomena of discovering features on Android that were present on Palm phones for ages and then attributing them to Android: voice input, voice actions, the ability to answer phone calls with canned texts, and now maps among many other things. You have heard of Palm, right ?

Fairly sure one of my old dumbphones had canned texts for phone calls.

One of the good things about Apple is precisely what lot of people here are complaining about: they tell you what you can do with your phone and why it's neat. Samsung have been getting on board wih this of late, with their Apple mockery ads, where they actually advertise features to the general public.

Re: Apple Maps up to five times more data efficient than Google Maps

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Post by zarify » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 12:52 AM UTC

DigitalSea wrote: post #16

I guess, it's a lot easier to be data efficient... When you have next to no map data to retrieve in the first place. I am tired of hearing about Apple's Maps, whether it's good or bad, everyone can agree (even Apple themselves agree) that the maps application is sub-par and finding nice things to say about it doesn't change the fact that if you want to get somewhere the new Apple Maps can only promise to get you with…

No, but I'm sure we _can_ all agree that map quality and POI quantity/accuracy will vary significantly by area.

Let's not detract from the real problem here: the lack of sea monsters and other mythical beasts in all smartphone mapping offerings (sure Google included them in their 8 bit maps, but they tried to pass that off as a joke).

Re: Apple Maps up to five times more data efficient than Google Maps

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Post by badusername » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 12:55 AM UTC

capo wrote: post #29

badusername wrote: post #27

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No one really claims that Apple did them first. In some cases, these features have gained press just because Apple's solution was more elegantly designed.

That is nonsense. It's because Apple generates huge PR, their device launches are treated like news items on most publicans. Also it could be because Apple feels the need to give every minute feature a name which is also a PR thing. Oh, and none of the features I've mentioned are better executed on iOS.

So, it probably means that Apple is pretty good at marketing features to customers.

It sounds like your motive is not to have an honest argument, but rather diss Apple/iOS and how they violate your worldview. This is not the forum to do that. Go to engadget or something.

Re: Apple Maps up to five times more data efficient than Google Maps

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Post by lostsock » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 1:00 AM UTC

mparlane wrote: post #33

jonursenbach wrote: post #30

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It's assumed. If you can't grasp that, I'm sorry.

In the title two competing products are mentioned. Google Maps and Apple Maps. The article is comparing iOS Google Maps to iOS Apple Maps. iOS Google Maps is not the same as the product Google Maps. If you can't grasp the difference of those two, I'm sorry.

Not to mention the old iOS mapping app was actually written by Apple, it was only using Google's tiles

Re: Apple Maps up to five times more data efficient than Google Maps

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Post by sli » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 2:55 AM UTC

lilc wrote: post #15

I find it ironic that Apple is using RPC-encoded Google protocol buffers for communication in their Maps product.

I'd like to hear more about that. Care to elaborate?

Re: Apple Maps up to five times more data efficient than Google Maps

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Post by fpgeek » Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 8:54 AM UTC

taligent wrote: post #31

capo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just a bit bothered by this phenomena of discovering features on the iPhone that were present on Android for ages and then attributing them to Apple: the notifications shade, voice input, voice actions, the ability to answer phone calls with canned texts, and now maps among many other things. Many in the press keep omitting the fact that Android did it first, which I think is important in this climate where Apple…

I'm just a bit bothered by this phenomena of discovering features on Android that were present on Palm phones for ages and then attributing them to Android: voice input, voice actions, the ability to answer phone calls with canned texts, and now maps among many other things. You have heard of Palm, right ?

I'm far more bothered by Apple's process of discovering features that were on Palm / Windows Mobile / Symbian / ... phones for ages and then either patenting them or figuring out a way to twist decade-old Mac OS patents into covering them.