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Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

theoldgreybeard wrote: post #43

The interesting tidbit here is SynthID. While a good first step, it doesn't solve the problem of AI generated content NOT having any kind of watermark. So we can prove that something WITH the ID is AI generated but we can't prove that something without one ISN'T AI generated. Like it would be nice if all photo and video generated by the big players would have some kind of standardized identifier on them - but now you…

I don't believe that you can do this for photography. For AI-images, if the embedded data has enough information (model identification and random seed), one can prove that it was AI by recreating it on the fly and comparing. How do you prove that a photographic image was created by a CCD? If your AI-generated image were good enough to pass, then hacking hardware (or stealing some crypto key to sign it) would "prove" that it was a real photograph.

Hell, it might even be possible for some arbitrary photographs to come up with an AI prompt that produces them or something similar enough to be indistinguishable to the human eye, opening up the possibility of "proving" something is fake even when it was actually real.

What you want just can't work, not even from a theoretical or practical standpoint, let alone the other concerns mentioned in this thread.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by simonw »

This thing's ability to produce entire infographics from a short prompt is really impressive, especially since it can run extra Google searches first.

I tried this prompt:

  Infographic explaining how the Datasette open source project works
Here's the result: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/20/nano-banana-pro/#creat...

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by gigel82 »

theoldgreybeard wrote: post #43

The interesting tidbit here is SynthID. While a good first step, it doesn't solve the problem of AI generated content NOT having any kind of watermark. So we can prove that something WITH the ID is AI generated but we can't prove that something without one ISN'T AI generated. Like it would be nice if all photo and video generated by the big players would have some kind of standardized identifier on them - but now you…

We need to be super careful with how legislation around this is passed and implemented. As it currently stands, I can totally see this as a backdoor to surveillance and government overreach.

If social media platforms are required by law to categorize content as AI generated, this means they need to check with the public "AI generation" providers. And since there is no agreed upon (public) standard for imperceptible watermarks hashing that means the content (image, video, audio) in its entirety needs to be uploaded to the various providers to check if it's AI generated.

Yes, it sounds crazy, but that's the plan; imagine every image you post on Facebook/X/Reddit/Whatsapp/whatever gets uploaded to Google / Microsoft / OpenAI / UnnamedGovernmentEntity / etc. to "check if it's AI". That's what the current law in Korea and the upcoming laws in California and EU (for August 2026) require :(

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by evrenesat »

gandreani wrote: post #173
evrenesat wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://gemini.google.com/share/79fe1a38e440

Maybe somewhere in the original comment it would have been fair to mention you can barely see the house in the original photo. This is actually a hilarious complaint

That cannot be a valid excuse. Other than adding extra windows to the clearly visible wall, it's obvious that model perfectly capable to "see" the house. It just cannot "believe" that there can be a big empty wall on a garden house.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by sd9 »

It's crazy how good these models are at text now. Remember when text was literally impossible? Now the models can diagetically render any text. It's so good now that it seems like a weird blip that it _wasn't_ possible before.

Not to mention all the other stuff.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by arresin »

simonw wrote: post #193

This thing's ability to produce entire infographics from a short prompt is really impressive, especially since it can run extra Google searches first. I tried this prompt: Infographic explaining how the Datasette open source project works Here's the result: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/20/nano-banana-pro/#creat...

Is the infographic accurate in terms of the way datasette wprks?

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by vunderba »

visioninmyblood wrote: post #192

Wow! I was able to combine Nano Banana Pro and Veo 3.1 video generation in a single chat and it produced great results. https://chat.vlm.run/c/38b99710-560c-4967-839b-4578a4146956 . Really cool model

Neat use-case, though the sword literally telescopically inverts itself at the beginning of the scene like a light saber where you would have expected it to be drawn from its scabbard.

I'd be interested to see how Wan 2.2 First/Last frame handles those images though...

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by llbbdd »

akersten wrote: post #112
theoldgreybeard wrote: post #43

The interesting tidbit here is SynthID. While a good first step, it doesn't solve the problem of AI generated content NOT having any kind of watermark. So we can prove that something WITH the ID is AI generated but we can't prove that something without one ISN'T AI generated. Like it would be nice if all photo and video generated by the big players would have some kind of standardized identifier on them - but now you…

Some days it feels like I'm the only hacker left who doesn't want government mandated watermarking in creative tools. Were politicians 20 years ago as overreative they'd have demanded Photoshop leave a trace on anything it edited. The amount of moral panic is off the charts. It's still a computer, and we still shouldn't trust everything we see. The fundamentals haven't changed.

Unless they've recently changed it, Photoshop will actually refuse to open or edit images of at least US banknotes.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by vunderba »

mortenjorck wrote: post #184

This is the first image model I’ve used that passed my piano test. It actually generated an image of a keyboard with the proper pattern of black keys repeated per octave – every other model I’ve tried this with since the first Dall-E has struggled to render more than a single octave, usually clumping groups of two black keys or grouping them four at a time. Very impressive grasp of recursive patterns.

Periodic motion (groups of repeating patterns) always tend to degrade at some point. Maintaining coherence over 88 keys is impressive.
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