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Re: Nano Banana Pro

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have some kind of standardized identifier on them Take this a step further and it'll be a personal identifying watermark (only the company can decode). Home printers already do this to some degree.

yeah, personally identifying undetectable watermarks are kindof a terrifying prospect

It is terrifying, but inevitable. Perhaps AI companies flooding the commons with excrement wasn't the best idea, now we all have to suffer the consequences.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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The interesting tidbit here is SynthID. While a good first step, it doesn't solve the problem of AI generated content NOT having any kind of watermark. So we can prove that something WITH the ID is AI generated but we can't prove that something without one ISN'T AI generated. Like it would be nice if all photo and video generated by the big players would have some kind of standardized identifier on them - but now you…

Some days it feels like I'm the only hacker left who doesn't want government mandated watermarking in creative tools. Were politicians 20 years ago as overreative they'd have demanded Photoshop leave a trace on anything it edited. The amount of moral panic is off the charts. It's still a computer, and we still shouldn't trust everything we see. The fundamentals haven't changed.

You do know that every color copier comes with the ability to identify US currency and would refuse to copy it? And that every color printer leaves a pattern of faint yellow dots on every printout that uniquely identifies the printer?

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Maybe I'm an obscure case, but I'm just not sure what I'd use an image generation model for. For people that use them (regularly or not), what do you use them for?

Nano Banana is more of an image editing model, which probably has more broad use cases for non-generative applications: interior decorating, architecture, picking wardrobes, etc.

Yeah... For some reason none of these are use cases in my day to day life. That said, I also don't open Photoshop very often. And maybe that's what this is meant to replace.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Maybe I'm an obscure case, but I'm just not sure what I'd use an image generation model for. For people that use them (regularly or not), what do you use them for?

Mostly highly specific images in blog posts but I also use it for occasional comics. https://mordenstar.com/portfolio/gorgonzo https://mordenstar.com/portfolio/brawny-tortillas https://mordenstar.com/portfolio/ms-frizzle-lava

I'm kind of reading between the lines, but sounds like "for fun" which makes sense / what I generally expected for why people use it

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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If there was a standardized identifier, there would be software dedicated to just removing it. I don't see how it would defeat the cat and mouse game.

I don't think it will be easy to just remove it. It's built into the image and thus won't be the same every time. Plus, any service good at reverse-image search (like Google) can basically apply that to determine whether they generated it. There will always be a way to defeat anything, but I don't see why this won't work for like 90% of cases.

It's an image. There's simply no way to add a watermark to an image that's both imperceptible to the user and non-trivial to remove. You'd have to pick one of those options.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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The interesting tidbit here is SynthID. While a good first step, it doesn't solve the problem of AI generated content NOT having any kind of watermark. So we can prove that something WITH the ID is AI generated but we can't prove that something without one ISN'T AI generated. Like it would be nice if all photo and video generated by the big players would have some kind of standardized identifier on them - but now you…

Reminder that even in the hypothetical world where every AI image is digitally watermarked, and all cameras have a TPM that writes a hash of every photo to the blockchain, there’s nothing to stop you from pointing that perfectly-verified camera at a screen showing your perfectly-watermarked AI image and taking a picture.

Image verification has never been easy. People have been airbrushed out of and pasted into photos for over a century; AI just makes it easier and more accessible. Expecting a “click to verify” workflow is unreasonable as it has ever been; only media literacy and a bit of legwork can accomplish this task.

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