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Re: Nano Banana Pro

#61

The interesting tidbit here is SynthID. While a good first step, it doesn't solve the problem of AI generated content NOT having any kind of watermark. So we can prove that something WITH the ID is AI generated but we can't prove that something without one ISN'T AI generated. Like it would be nice if all photo and video generated by the big players would have some kind of standardized identifier on them - but now you…

It solves some problems! For example, if you want to run a camgirl website based on AI models and want to also prove that you're not exploiting real people

Re: Nano Banana Pro

#62
post #53

I tried the studio ghibli prompt on a photo my me and my wife in Japan and it was... not good. It looked more like a hand drawn sketch made with colored pencils, but none of the colors were correct. Everything was a weird shade of yellow/brown. This has been an oddly difficult benchmark for Gemini's NB models. Googles images models have always been pretty bad at the studio ghibli prompt, but I'm shocked at how poorly…

I wonder ... do you think they might not be chasing that particular metric?

Sure! But it's weird how far off it is in terms of capability.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

#65

The interesting tidbit here is SynthID. While a good first step, it doesn't solve the problem of AI generated content NOT having any kind of watermark. So we can prove that something WITH the ID is AI generated but we can't prove that something without one ISN'T AI generated. Like it would be nice if all photo and video generated by the big players would have some kind of standardized identifier on them - but now you…

If there was a standardized identifier, there would be software dedicated to just removing it. I don't see how it would defeat the cat and mouse game.

It doesn't have to be perfect to be helpful.

For example, it's trivial to post an advertisement without disclosure. Yet it's illegal, so large players mostly comply and harm is less likely on the whole.

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#66
The SynthID check for fishy photos is a step in the right direction, but without tighter integration into everyday tooling its not going to move the needle much. Like when I hold the power button on my Pixel 9, It would be great if it could identify synthetic images on the screen before I think to ask about it. For what its worth it would be great if the power button shortcut on Pixel did a lot more things.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

#67
The rollout doesn't seem to have reached my userid yet. How successful are people at getting these things to actually produce useful images? I was trying recently with the (non-Pro) Nano Banana to see what the fuss was about. As a test case, I tried to get it to make a diagram of a zipper merge (in driving), using numbered arrows to indicate what the first, second, third, etc. cars should do.

I had trouble reliably getting it to...

* produce just two lanes of traffic

* have all the cars facing the same way—sometimes even within one lane they'd be facing in opposite directions.

* contain the construction within the blocked-off area. I think similarly it wouldn't understand which side was supposed to be blocked off. It'd also put the lane closure sign in lanes that were supposed to be open.

* have the cars be in proportion to the lane and road instead of two side-by-side within a lane.

* have the arrows go in the correct direction instead of veering into the shoulder or U-turning back into oncoming traffic

* use each number once, much less on the correct car

This is consistent with my understanding of how LLMs work, but I don't understand how you can "visualize real-time information like weather or sports" accurately with these failings.

Below is one of the prompts I tried to go from scratch to an image:

> You are an illustrator for a drivers' education handbook. You are an expert on US road signage and traffic laws. We need to prepare a diagram of a "zipper merge". It should clearly show what drivers are expected to do, without distracting elements.

> First, draw two lanes representing a single direction of travel from the bottom to the top of the image (not an entire two-way road), with a dotted white line dividing them. Make sure there's enough space for the several car-lengths approaching a construction site. Include only the illustration; no title or legend.

> Add the construction in the right lane only near the top (far side). It should have the correct signage for lane closure and merging to the left as drivers approach a demolished section. The left lane should be clear. The sign should be in the closed lane or right shoulder.

> Add cars in the unclosed sections of the road. Each car should be almost as wide as its lane.

> Add numbered arrows #1–#5 indicating the next cars to pass to the left of the "lane closed" sign. They should be in the direction the cars will move: from the bottom of the illustration to the top. One car should proceed straight in the left lane, then one should merge from the right to the left (indicate this with a curved arrow), another should proceed straight in the left, another should merge, and so on.

I did have a bit better luck starting from a simple image and adding an element to it with each prompt. But on the other hand, when I did that it wouldn't do as well at keeping space for things. And sometimes it just didn't make any changes to the image at all. A lot of dead ends.

I also tried sketching myself and having it change the illustration style. But it didn't do it completely. It turned some of my boxes into cars but not necessarily all of them. It drew a "proper" lane divider over my thin dotted line but still kept the original line. etc.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

#68

Adobe's stock is down 50% from last year's peak. It's humbling and scary that entire industries with millions of jobs evaporate in a matter of few years.

On the contrary, it's encouraging to know that maliciously greedy companies like Adobe are getting screwed for being so malicious and greedy :thumbsup:

I had second thoughts about this comment, but if I stopped typing in the middle of it, I would've had to pay a cancellation fee.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

#69

Adobe's stock is down 50% from last year's peak. It's humbling and scary that entire industries with millions of jobs evaporate in a matter of few years.

There's 2 takes here: First take is the AI is replacing jobs by making existing workforce more efficient.

The 2nd take is AI is costing companies so much money, that they need to cut workforce to pay for their AI investments.

I'm inclined to think the latter is represents what's happening more than the former.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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post #17

I guess the true endgame of AI products is naming them. We still have quite a way to go.

Honestly I give Google credit for realizing that they had something that people were talking about and running with it instead of just calling it gemini-image-large-with-text-pro

They tried calling it gemini-2.5-whatever, but social media obsessed over the name "Nano Banana", which was just its codename that got teased on Twitter for a few weeks prior to launch.

After launch, Google's public branding for the product was "Gemini" until Google just decided to lean in and fully adopt the vastly more popular "Nano Banana" label.

The public named this product, not Google. Google's internal codename went virally popular and outstaged the official name.

Branding matters for distribution. When you install yourself into the public consciousness with a name, you'd better use the name. It's free distribution. You own human wetware market share for free. You're alive in the minds of the public.

Renaming things every human has brand recognition of, eg. HBO -> Max, is stupid. It doesn't matter if the name sucks. ChatGPT as a name sucks. But everyone in the world knows it.

This will forever be Nano Banana unless they deprecate the product.

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