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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by peterspath »

Telaneo wrote: post #328

Of all the things to yield on, the GDPR really isn't it. The cookie banner problem is one caused by site owners consistently preferring using dark patterns over just not doing the stuff that makes you need a banner. If anything, the EU should have put the hammer down and enforced its regulations on those cookie banners consistently having 'accept all' being the default option and the alternative be more difficult to…

They should do it on OS level instead of browser level, apps also do tracking, and collecting data. One question when you first boot up your device. One switch in settings.

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Post by WorldMaker »

xvector wrote: post #250
bitpush wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didnt the judge rule literally yesterday that this wasnt illegal. This was one of Lina Khan's signature lawsuits, and judge didnt agree even a single one of FTC's arguments.

Where can I read more about this? Quick search turns up nothing for me

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/11/meta-wins-monopo...

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Post by harperlee »

baggy_trough wrote: post #104
harperlee wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR is not about the cookie banner, it has massive implications around the whole lifecycle of data. For example you need to be able to gather all data of a particular client for them to access, and they have the right for all their data to be erased.

Far less than 1% of people would care about either.

That is not surprising. Regulations are a way to ensure things that are not easily reached by market forces. Doesn’t mean that we should not care for that.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by harperlee »

baggy_trough wrote: post #262
jlokier wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But far more than 1% are harmed by it. Sometimes the harm is severe. Vast oceans of poorly handled personal data collected in exquisite and unnecessary detail by dark patterns, copied around to everyone who might be interested with low regard for security, kept forever, analysed by the best algorithms and sold to whomever will buy it, raise the risks and consequences of identity theft and fraud for everyone. Those ar…

Most people don't care about these things. Who are you to say that the harm is severe to people who don't care?

It is a government who says that…

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Post by eitau_1 »

rckt wrote: post #270

I get that too many regulations is a bad thing. But when we talk privacy and personal data there should be no gray zone. It has to be black and white. When I see a stupid cookie banner I search for "Reject all". There's no some data that companies can collect and process without my consent, they just shouldn't be able to collect anything without me actively opting in. Business never respects anything, but profits. Se…

Most baffling thing is that sometimes you can't opt-out from "always active" stuff that still involve hundreds of "partners"; see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45844691

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Post by pseudalopex »

bigfatkitten wrote: post #286
lenerdenator wrote: post #274

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It was a spectacular failure because the people who thought of it didn't stick to it.

In no small part because the people who thought of it (the browser makers) had a powerful commercial incentive to ditch it, because they are funded by advertising.

Microsoft enabled Do Not Track by default. Advertisers said they would ignore it for this reason. Most of them never respected it. Apple removed it from Safari years later because it was used for tracking. Mozilla removed it from Firefox years after Safari. Chrome has it even now.

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Post by bitpush »

xvector wrote: post #250
bitpush wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didnt the judge rule literally yesterday that this wasnt illegal. This was one of Lina Khan's signature lawsuits, and judge didnt agree even a single one of FTC's arguments.

Where can I read more about this? Quick search turns up nothing for me

https://www.theverge.com/news/823191/meta-ftc-antitrust-tria...

It is actually a monumental case ruling, and for some reason it wasnt reported or discussed here. Lina Khan's FTC has lost both their marquee cases now (Google, Meta)

> Meta won a landmark antitrust battle with the Federal Trade Commission on Tuesday after a federal judge ruled it has not monopolized the social media market at the center of the case.

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Post by ngruhn »

Telaneo wrote: post #328

Of all the things to yield on, the GDPR really isn't it. The cookie banner problem is one caused by site owners consistently preferring using dark patterns over just not doing the stuff that makes you need a banner. If anything, the EU should have put the hammer down and enforced its regulations on those cookie banners consistently having 'accept all' being the default option and the alternative be more difficult to…

What's the point of the choice in the first place. People either don't want cookies or they don't care. Nobody wants them. If both options are accessible enough, people always press decline. The EU should just make non essential use illegale.

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Post by imiric »

Aloisius wrote: post #308
mikece wrote: post #22

How about this as a privacy law: if you collect data about people without their EXPLICIT permission[1] you can be charged with digital stalking. Same principle as stalking; escalating penalties for repeat offenses and for doing so in bulk or en masse. EDIT: And you cannot share information gained by permitted collection unless EXPLICIT permission to share is granted. [1] Eg: it's not sufficient to disclose this in eq…

What constitutes data about people? If I save your comment, am I a digital stalker? Is Google a digital stalker because they archived this page? Is HN a digital stalker because they didn't get your explicit permission to show a profile page with your karma on it?

You're being deceptively dense.

PII has a very clear definition. Posts on a public forum are not part of it.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by Telaneo »

ngruhn wrote: post #338
Telaneo wrote: post #328

Of all the things to yield on, the GDPR really isn't it. The cookie banner problem is one caused by site owners consistently preferring using dark patterns over just not doing the stuff that makes you need a banner. If anything, the EU should have put the hammer down and enforced its regulations on those cookie banners consistently having 'accept all' being the default option and the alternative be more difficult to…

What's the point of the choice in the first place. People either don't want cookies or they don't care. Nobody wants them. If both options are accessible enough, people always press decline. The EU should just make non essential use illegale.

I'd love for them to be made illegal, but I imagine certain groups of people wouldn't take kindly to that, so we need to do the dance and have people be tracked under nominal consent.
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