As long as I can get my data from my watch into Home Assistant and maybe Google Health, I'll keep my preorder. Hopefully this drama gets resolved but I never used any of the apps on my soon to be replaced Fitbit.
Pebble, Rebble, and a path forward
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Re: Pebble, Rebble, and a path forward
#22If nobody trusts either party to keep up their end of the bargain, why not solve it with licensing?
Isn't this the exact point of copyleft licenses?
Relicense PebbleOS as GPL, relicense Rebble as AGPL.
Problem is then solved, no?
Re: Pebble, Rebble, and a path forward
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
The subscription fee was what enabled them to host these services. From their blog post, they mention spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on infrastructure and software. I expect that the connections and skills involved in running the Rebble web services don't directly translate to creating a hardware product. That said, I think you are right that Rebble is feeling left out - and that it is hard to figure out e…
I'll be totally honest: I have no idea what they possibly spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on. That seems totally absurd and reckless.
Yeah. If they’d said “hundreds, or maybe thousands of dollars”, ok, sure. But that just cannot possibly be an inherently expensive service to host.
Re: Pebble, Rebble, and a path forward
#24Now I am glad I didn't order a new one. Drama everywhere nowadays.
The difference between this product (and other open source-style projects) and every other product you purchase is all the drama’s happening out in the open. Google, Apple, and Amazon all have the kind of infighting that would embarrass the Sun King’s court, it’s just all kept inside the palace walls.
There is drama for Watchy, but I don't think there is any for BangleJS (other than being a bit iffy on iphones)
Re: Pebble, Rebble, and a path forward
#25> I disagree. I’m working hard to keep the Pebble ecosystem open source. I believe the contents of the Pebble Appstore should be freely available and not controlled by one organization.
I hate to say this but I have to agree with Eric. I want to side with Rebble But they are clearly misguided. The goal should not be to have an ongoing revenue stream for Rebble.
The goals should be
If and when Eric sells out again, there is a way for
1. all pebble and core devices to continue to get updates somehow (Rebble or otherwise)
2. all apps and metadata will continue to be available somehow (Rebble or otherwise)
The otherwise is key here. If someone wants to not use Rebble, they should be able to do that.
Rebble is not the end goal. Core is not the end goal. The users are.
Re: Pebble, Rebble, and a path forward
#26> My goal this time round is to make it sustainable.
Was I the only one to get excited when I saw "time round" in a sentence written on Eric's blog? It took a second for me to realize this had nothing to do with the amazing PTR.
Re: Pebble, Rebble, and a path forward
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll be totally honest: I have no idea what they possibly spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on. That seems totally absurd and reckless.
Yeah. If they’d said “hundreds, or maybe thousands of dollars”, ok, sure. But that just cannot possibly be an inherently expensive service to host.
There is also weather and voice recognition services. If implemented with third party APIs those costs can add up.
Re: Pebble, Rebble, and a path forward
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah. If they’d said “hundreds, or maybe thousands of dollars”, ok, sure. But that just cannot possibly be an inherently expensive service to host.
There is also weather and voice recognition services. If implemented with third party APIs those costs can add up.
They charged a subscription for those. If they lost money on that they have nobody to blame but themselves.
Re: Pebble, Rebble, and a path forward
#29Now I am glad I didn't order a new one. Drama everywhere nowadays.
> Drama everywhere nowadays. That's the way open source works. Do you think the Linux Kernel or Python communities are better? Btw, that's also the way democracy works. Dictatorships don't have drama because they repress it.
No but in this specific case which for me is merely a toy I can easily decide not to engage with it.
Re: Pebble, Rebble, and a path forward
#30What an entirely avoidable lose-lose bust-up.
IDK that it was entirely avoidable, but it sure is a shame that they're spending cycles on this rather than getting the PT2s out the door. Looks like shipping has already slipped from Dec 25 to Jan 26:
> We’re aiming to start shipping in January.