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Re: Gemini 3

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Post by recitedropper »

orly01 wrote: post #326
recitedropper wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perception seems to be one of the main constraints on LLMs that not much progress has been made on. Perhaps not surprising, given perception is something evolution has worked on since the inception of life itself. Likely much, much more expensive computationally than it receives credit for.

Why should it have to be expensive computationally? How do brains do it with such a low amount of energy? I think catching the brain abilities even of a bug might be very hard, but that does not mean that there isn't a way to do it with little computational power. It requires having the correct structures/models/algorithms or whatever is the precise jargon.

This is the million dollar question. I'm not qualified to answer it, and I don't really think anyone out there has the answer yet.

My armchair take would be that watt usage probably isn't a good proxy for computational complexity in biological systems. A good piece of evidence for this is from the C. elegans research that has found that the configuration of ions within a neuron--not just the electrical charge on the membrane--record computationally-relevant information about a stimulus. There are probably many more hacks like this that allow the brain to handle enormous complexity without it showing up in our measurements of its power consumption.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by bitpush »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #151
bnchrch wrote: post #87

I've been so happy to see Google wake up. Many can point to a long history of killed products and soured opinions but you can't deny theyve been the great balancing force (often for good) in the industry. - Gmail vs Outlook - Drive vs Word - Android vs iOS - Worklife balance and high pay vs the low salary grind of before. Theyve done heaps for the industry. Im glad to see signs of life. Particularly in their P/E whic…

They've poisoned the internet with their monopoly on advertising, the air pollution of the online world, which is an transgression that far outweighs any good they might have done. Much of the negative social effects of being online come from the need to drive more screen time, more engagement, more clicks, and more ad impressions firehosed into the faces of users for sweet, sweet, advertiser money. When Google final…

This is an understandable, but simplistic way of looking at the world. Are you also gonna blame Apple for mining for rare earths, because they made a successful product that requires exotic materials which needs to be mined from earth? How about hundreds of thousands of factory workers that are being subjected to inhumane conditions to assemble iPhones each year?

For every "OMG, internet is filled with ads", people are conveniently forgetting the real-world impact of ALL COMPANIES (and not just Apple) btw. Either you should be upset with the system, and not selectively at Google.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #387
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've poisoned the internet with their monopoly on advertising, the air pollution of the online world, which is an transgression that far outweighs any good they might have done. Much of the negative social effects of being online come from the need to drive more screen time, more engagement, more clicks, and more ad impressions firehosed into the faces of users for sweet, sweet, advertiser money. When Google final…

They're not a moral entity. corporations aren't people. I think a lot of the harms you mentioned are real, but they're a natural consequence of capitalistic profit chasing. Governments are supposed to regulate monopolies and anti-consumer behavior like that. Instead of regulating surveillance capitalism, governments are using it to bypass laws restricting their power. If I were a google investor, I would absolutely w…

Why are you directing the statement that "[Corporations are] not a moral entity" at me instead of the parent poster claiming that "[Google has] been the great balancing force (often for good) in the industry."? Saying that Google is a force "for good" is a claim by them that corporations can be moral entities; I agree with you that they aren't.

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Post by mindlessg »

ponyous wrote: post #111

Just generated a bunch of 3D CAD models using Gemini 3.0 to see how it compares in spatial understanding and it's heaps better than anything currently out there - not only intelligence but also speed. Will run extended benchmarks later, let me know if you want to see actual data.

I'm interested in seeing the data.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by Dilettante_ »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #276
stickfigure wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not a central figure in the narrative, he's a background character. Things he created (MIRI, CFAR, LessWrong) are important to the narrative, the founder isn't. If I had to condense the article, I'd probably cut him out too. Summarization is inherently lossy.

> Eliezer Yudkowsky is a central figure in the article, mentioned multiple times as the intellectual originator of the community from which the "Zizians" splintered. His ideas and organizations are foundational to the entire narrative.

You're absolutely right! The AI said it, so it must be true!

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Post by bitpush »

qweiopqweiop wrote: post #200
bnchrch wrote: post #87

I've been so happy to see Google wake up. Many can point to a long history of killed products and soured opinions but you can't deny theyve been the great balancing force (often for good) in the industry. - Gmail vs Outlook - Drive vs Word - Android vs iOS - Worklife balance and high pay vs the low salary grind of before. Theyve done heaps for the industry. Im glad to see signs of life. Particularly in their P/E whic…

Forgot to mention absolutely milking every ounce of their users attention with Youtube, plus forcing Shorts!

Why stop at YouTube? Blame Apple for creating an additive gadget that has single handedly wasted billions of hours of collective human intelligence. Life was so much better before iPhones.

But I hear you say - you can use iPhones for productive things and not just mindless brainrot. And that's the same with YouTube as well. Many waste time on YouTube, but many learn and do productive things.

Dont paint everything with a single, large, coarse brush stroke.

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Post by catigula »

lifty wrote: post #376
catigula wrote: post #359

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Claude is still a better agent for software professionals though it is less capable, so there isn't nothing to having the incumbent advantage.

Not my experience. Codex is the top coding model in my experience and has been since it’s out. Makes fewer mistakes and understands better my intentions.

My purposeful caveat was 'software professionals', i.e. user in the loop engineering. Codex is much better at slinging slop that you later need to spend some time reviewing if you actually want to understand it.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by BoorishBears »

So they won't release multimodal or Flash at launch, but I'm guessing people who blew smoke up the right person's backside on X are already building with it

Glad to see Google still can't get out of its own way.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by rfw300 »

ttul wrote: post #65

My favorite benchmark is to analyze a very long audio file recording of a management meeting and produce very good notes along with a transcript labeling all the speakers. 2.5 was decently good at generating the summary, but it was terrible at labeling speakers. 3.0 has so far absolutely nailed speaker labeling.

My audio experiment was much less successful — I uploaded a 90-minute podcast episode and asked it to produce a labeled transcript. Gemini 3:

- Hallucinated at least three quotes (that I checked) resembling nothing said by any of the hosts

- Produced timestamps that were almost entirely wrong. Language quoted from the end of the episode, for instance, was timestamped 35 minutes into the episode, rather than 85 minutes.

- Almost all of what is transcribed is heavily paraphrased and abridged, in most cases without any indication.

Understandable that Gemini can't cope with such a long audio recording yet, but I would've hoped for a more graceful/less hallucinatory failure mode. And unfortunately, aligns with my impression of past Gemini models that they are impressively smart but fail in the most catastrophic ways.

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