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Re: Gemini 3

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Post by rvz »

bnchrch wrote: post #87

I've been so happy to see Google wake up. Many can point to a long history of killed products and soured opinions but you can't deny theyve been the great balancing force (often for good) in the industry. - Gmail vs Outlook - Drive vs Word - Android vs iOS - Worklife balance and high pay vs the low salary grind of before. Theyve done heaps for the industry. Im glad to see signs of life. Particularly in their P/E whic…

Google always has been there, its just that many didn't realize that DeepMind even existed and I said that they needed to be put to commercial use years ago. [0] and Google AI != DeepMind.

You are now seeing their valuation finally adjusting to that fact all thanks to DeepMind finally being put to use.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34713073

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by stefs »

rvz wrote: post #109

I expect almost no-one to read the Gemini 3 model card. But here is a damning excerpt from the early leaked model card from [0]: > The training dataset also includes: publicly available datasets that are readily downloadable; data obtained by crawlers; licensed data obtained via commercial licensing agreements; user data (i.e., data collected from users of Google products and services to train AI models, along with u…

i'm very doubtful gmail mails are used to train the model by default, because emails contain private data and as soon as this private data shows up in the model output, gmail is done.

"gmail being read by gemini" does NOT mean "gemini is trained on your private gmail correspondence". it can mean gemini loads your emails into a session context so it can answer questions about your mail, which is quite different.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by spookie »

aliljet wrote: post #82

Understanding precisely why Gemini 3 isn't front of the pack on SWE Bench is really what I was hoping to understand here. Especially for a blog post targeted at software developers...

Does anyone trust benchmarks at this point? Genuine question. Isn't the scientific consensus that they are broken and poor evaluation tools?

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by giarc »

bespokedevelopr wrote: post #121

Wow so the polymarket insider bet was true then.. https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1oz6gjp/new...

These prediction markets are so ripe for abuse it's unbelievable. People need to realize there are real people on the other side of these bets. Brian Armstong, CEO of Coinbase intentionally altered the outcome of a bet by randomly stating "Bitcoin, Ethereum, blockchain, staking, Web3" at the end of an earnings call. These types of bets shouldn't be allowed.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by andy12_ »

recitedropper wrote: post #119
bryanlarsen wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the only comment referencing AGI. Seems wrong to me.

I'm primarily reacting to the other threads, like the one that leaked the system card early. And, perhaps unfairly, Twitter as well.

You might not believe this, but there are a lot of people (me included) that were extremely excited about the Gemini 3 release and are pleased to see the SOTA benchmark results, and this is reflected in the comments.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by coffeecoders »

Feels like the same consolidation cycle we saw with mobile apps and browsers are playing out here. The winners aren’t necessarily those with the best models, but those who already control the surface where people live their digital lives.

Google injects AI Overviews directly into search, X pushes Grok into the feed, Apple wraps "intelligence" into Maps and on-device workflows, and Microsoft is quietly doing the same with Copilot across Windows and Office.

Open models and startups can innovate, but the platforms can immediately put their AI in front of billions of users without asking anyone to change behavior (not even typing a new URL).

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by recitedropper »

wasabi991011 wrote: post #127
63stack wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I noticed this as well, you are already downvoted into gray

They're downboted into grey because it's complaining about the future of this thread before it has even happened. Also it's conspiratorial, without much evidence.

Peek the other threads.

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by mccoyb »

I truly do not understand what plan to use so I can use this model for longer than ~2 minutes.

Using Anthropic or OpenAI's models are incredibly straightforward -- pay us per month, here's the button you press, great.

Where do I go for this for these Google models?

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by zamadatix »

hobofan wrote: post #129
63stack wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I noticed this as well, you are already downvoted into gray

And now it's flagged. I think this is one of HNs biggest weaknesses. If you are a sufficiently large engineering organization with enough employees that pass the self-moderation karma thresholds, you can essentially strike down any significantly critical discussion.

Without a public moderation log (i.e. even user flags being part of the log) claims like this will always come up but to me it always seems more likely just the early commenting users tired of being told they are part of some astroturf campaign and if they don't flock to agree with the OPs views it must just be more proof.

I'm sure both reasons happen to some degree, just as a matter of how often is actual astroturfing vs "a small percentage of active people can't possibly just have different thoughts than me".

Re: Gemini 3

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Post by deanc »

The AntiGravity seems to be a bit overwhelmed. Unable to set up an account at the moment.
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