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Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

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Re: Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

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I'm always curious, who are all those people who tell manufacturers it's fashionable? Other than voices in their heads? Who are those people that unironically like those searing lights?

Same people who told them drivers want touchscreens.

Yeah, but who are they? Do they keep a real Homer Simpson in some basement, ask him what’s cool, and take the stupidest cheapest ideas for implementation?

Re: Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

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> Out in the country, you still don't really need brighter headlights. I guess you don't actually drive at night in the countryside then. You need lights to see where the road is, not where pedestrians might be - on none existent footpaths

I just realized I bet it’s sometimes a speed issue. I don’t need bright lights, maybe because I’m a slow driver. Drive faster and you have to have brighter lights shining farther into the distance to be able to see at least a couple seconds ahead.

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Re: Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

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> Out in the country, you still don't really need brighter headlights. I guess you don't actually drive at night in the countryside then. You need lights to see where the road is, not where pedestrians might be - on none existent footpaths

I live in the woods in the northeast US, and also grew up in the 80s-90s in a very rural area and I've owned a number of cars when I was young, some with comically dim lights. You really don't need the bright lights. You never have. Slow down, look for movement, and use your brights intelligently.

In a densely wooded area, no. Your sight line is naturally blocked by trees, so a farther throw of light would be wasted

In more open areas it can be quite helpful to have greater throw and flood illumination.

In the American Midwest, being able to spot ice patches or deer on the interstate with your brights is quite helpful.

Normal driving lights have no need for the intensity they have today though

Re: Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

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I'm the one who's flashing you. I'm flashing you because your headlights are bothering me. Showing me that you can bother me even more does not make it better. Still, obviously, nothing you can do, or the driver in general. And I guess the manufacturers aren't incentivised. Regulation is the only thing that I can think of that will work.

"Nothing they can do"? I've never owned a car so genuinely don't know but surely you can buy whatever lights you want for it and/or correct the alignment? I helped a friend with aligning the headlight after changing the bulb some years ago, I hear newer cars don't let you change the bulb yourself necessarily but then surely the mechanics can be asked to do this when they change it anyway, or upon the next inspection…

> whatever lights you want

For the cars I owned, only one set of official lights existed. Aftermarket would be nearly guaranteed to be worse quality and poorer alignment. And no changing them in the warranty period either.

Car parts are not like PC parts, where you can buy your own and mix-and-match.

No, things with car lights are not as you think. In many modern cars there are no bulbs, but laser diodes and complex lenses and god knows what else. I wouldn't trust anyone to fiddle with mine and do a good job, including the dealership.

Re: Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

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I understand that currently this is sort of a collective action problem, but I'm a bit baffled why people ever thought they needed brighter headlights in the first place. In the city, it's so bright that you don't even need headlights to see whatsoever. When cars started automatically dimming the dash via a light sensor, there was actually a period of time where I totally forgot to turn on my headlights because thing…

> The road lines are actually reflective, so it's not as if you'll struggle to see the road lines. And generally speaking out in the country, there won't be pedestrian foot traffic, so it's not as if you need the bright lights for them.

Reading these comments is a reminder that a lot of people aren’t familiar with the diversity of roads and environments across the country and around the world.

Painted reflective road lines in good shape are a luxury, especially in areas with heavy snow and snowplows coming through a lot.

Pedestrians aren’t a concern, but deer and other animals are. The deer are much worse than pedestrians because they move faster and don’t understand how to avoid cars.

Country roads also have very different conditions across the world. In some places you have clear visibility 100 feet to the tree line. In some places I drive, the trees are dense right up to the road with only a couple feet of clearance to the car. Some roads are also so rough that the biggest hazards are avoiding pot holes. Some roads I drive are up against mountain faces and the road may have large rocks that have fallen on it.

I personally don’t feel the need for brighter headlights because I keep my headlight lenses clear, washed, and waxed, and I’m young with good eyesight. I also use brights in the countryside and toggle them off when other drivers are coming.

However, downplaying the challenges of country road driving is weird.

Re: Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

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I understand that currently this is sort of a collective action problem, but I'm a bit baffled why people ever thought they needed brighter headlights in the first place. In the city, it's so bright that you don't even need headlights to see whatsoever. When cars started automatically dimming the dash via a light sensor, there was actually a period of time where I totally forgot to turn on my headlights because thing…

My guess is that the average population of car drivers is aging. With age comes worse eyesight and and the ability to see in the dark. So a lot of people are probably more comfortable with having brighter headlights.

Re: Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

#187

Related: I moved to rural Michigan and the number of people who will be riding my ass on a late night with their high beams on is astounding. Or people who turn their high beams on in the snow/fog.

Michigan, where the more North you go the more Southern you are

Re: Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

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One of the main reasons people want/need brighter headlights is that there is much more light inside the car from screens. These don't let your eyes adjust to the dark properly. Older cars had dim green lighting for the gauges and even had a knob to adjust the brightness up and down. You could create a very dim interior instead of the huge amount of white light you get with modern cars and the multiple screens. I'm h…

> Older cars had dim green lighting for the gauges and even had a knob to adjust the brightness up and down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgh2zbifn7E

Re: Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

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Empirically on UK roads it's as much about the car industry getting away with selling vehicles that are too large for our roads i.e. oversized SUV's and trucks, as anything else. The combination of driver's side closer to crown, and higher mounting, mean the light's from these behemoths tend to cast more of their beams into the eye line of anyone coming the other way, particularly in smaller, lower to the ground vehicles.

Re: Nearly all UK drivers say headlights are too bright

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I understand that currently this is sort of a collective action problem, but I'm a bit baffled why people ever thought they needed brighter headlights in the first place. In the city, it's so bright that you don't even need headlights to see whatsoever. When cars started automatically dimming the dash via a light sensor, there was actually a period of time where I totally forgot to turn on my headlights because thing…

Lights in other settings that were upgraded to LEDs became much brighter: night clubs usef to be mostly dark for instance. I don't think it happened through any plan, if anyone was looking at the specs, they probably just thought "bigger number better".

Nightclubs are still too dark. Streets are too bright.
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