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More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by jmye »

Jensson wrote: post #68
jmye wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> every military person (if so ordered) would gladly take up arms against their own citizenry as well as every military weapon system would be utilized against the people. Perhaps you should look up the literal thousands of occasions of that happening, before snarkily dismissing it as absurd. Doesn’t require “every”, which is an equally ludicrous addition you’ve made solely so you pedantically dismiss any objections.…

Did you even read his post, he addressed that. Adding the armed citizens to the good side of the military is a significant power factor, if 10 million armed American civilians joins one side of a military internal dispute that will likely tip the scales.

I did. There is no “good side”. My grandma had blue numbers tattooed on her arm to prove it. The idea that armed citizens would universally rebel on the same side is also utterly delusional.

Y’all need history books.

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by IAmBroom »

1659447091 wrote: post #65

I don't see much difference with this than when gun buying spikes after publicized mass shootings[0]. Gun sales also spike when new gun control laws are proposed. People are afraid (however unfounded) that their right to protect themselves and their family will be taken away. It use to be one of the biggest issues to scare people into voting republican (at least in Texas), the boogyman threat that "they" are coming f…

You've described the "what". The article is about the "who". "Who" makes it newsworthy.

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by IAmBroom »

unionjack22 wrote: post #4

I’m really curious about the amount of screen time and news/social media consumption of these groups. I assume it’s a couple standard deviations above what’s healthy.

I bet they drink a lot of fluoridated water, too.

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Post by IAmBroom »

Jensson wrote: post #69
Timon3 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was quite literally a slogan and rallying cry. It quite literally wasn't. "Defund" is a different word from "abolish" and has a different meaning. Are you not aware of that difference?

Defund can mean both, many who chanted that clarified that they meant abolish. If you wanted people to not misunderstand then use a better word that is clear, since many who were on the pro "defund the police" meant abolish the police. It is your own fault for using a bad slogan.

"You guys literally said abolish the police!"

"No, we said defund, which is more nuanced..."

"Nuance, schmuance, I'm moving the goalposts."

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by IAmBroom »

happytoexplain wrote: post #38
eindiran wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then maybe stop commenting about contentious topics in US politics?

Why bring this pointless hostility to HN? Just disagree, rather than the petty internet-style sneering/gatekeeping.

testing22321 was positing theirself as an expert on US liberal protests, but then admitted they aren't regularly exposed to the same.

Seems relevant.

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by SauciestGNU »

happytoexplain wrote: post #42
RickJWagner wrote: post #37

What does the Gun Control side of the left have to say about this? Will the factions just politely agree not to talk about it?

I am a staunchly pro gun-control leftist and I own a gun. Are you trying to imply that gun control means "nobody can have guns", or something similarly incompatible with gun ownership?

I'm basically the opposite of you (leftist, opposed to gun control as it's been implemented in our country). I am frustrated by model and feature bans and magazine capacity bans. I am frustrated by the new push to ban self-manufactured firearms, something that has always been legal in the US but now that 3d printing has made it more attainable it's a target for bans.

It would be one thing if these laws were studied and shown to reduce gun crime. But I'm not seeing data, I'm seeing "guns are bad" vibes from Democrats while there are armed Nazi goon squads kidnapping people off the streets.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

Jensson wrote: post #67
lukev wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite the opposite. The increased fear is that there will be bad actors (brownshirts, racists, klansmen, etc) that the police are not making an effort to restrain, or even with whom the police are are allied. Your average liberal/progressive is still probably less afraid (relative to the median) about random or property crime.

> Your average liberal/progressive is still probably less afraid (relative to the median) about random or property crime. But random crime is much more likely to affect you than brownshirts or klansmen, so that seems irrational.

Depends on locale. In Chicago, or now Charlotte, brownshirt encounters are highly elevated.

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Post by nondrool »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #76
happytoexplain wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a staunchly pro gun-control leftist and I own a gun. Are you trying to imply that gun control means "nobody can have guns", or something similarly incompatible with gun ownership?

I'm basically the opposite of you (leftist, opposed to gun control as it's been implemented in our country). I am frustrated by model and feature bans and magazine capacity bans. I am frustrated by the new push to ban self-manufactured firearms, something that has always been legal in the US but now that 3d printing has made it more attainable it's a target for bans. It would be one thing if these laws were studied a…

What did the kidnappers demand?

I find it odd the amount of families kidnapping their own family members lately, as that's typically the only time demands aren't made by kidnappers.

Don't think that would make them a Nazi though. Not to say there aren't any, but in modern times they're located in Ukraine. Azov Batallion has videos posted where they have whole stadiums filled with them doing their chant? which is disturbing.

Either way stay strong.

They'll call if they haven't yet.

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by testing22321 »

IAmBroom wrote: post #75
happytoexplain wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why bring this pointless hostility to HN? Just disagree, rather than the petty internet-style sneering/gatekeeping.

testing22321 was positing theirself as an expert on US liberal protests, but then admitted they aren't regularly exposed to the same. Seems relevant.

I did no such thing.

I just said I’ve never heard anyone say they want to abolish the police, which sounds absurd to me.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

nondrool wrote: post #78
SauciestGNU wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm basically the opposite of you (leftist, opposed to gun control as it's been implemented in our country). I am frustrated by model and feature bans and magazine capacity bans. I am frustrated by the new push to ban self-manufactured firearms, something that has always been legal in the US but now that 3d printing has made it more attainable it's a target for bans. It would be one thing if these laws were studied a…

What did the kidnappers demand? I find it odd the amount of families kidnapping their own family members lately, as that's typically the only time demands aren't made by kidnappers. Don't think that would make them a Nazi though. Not to say there aren't any, but in modern times they're located in Ukraine. Azov Batallion has videos posted where they have whole stadiums filled with them doing their chant? which is dist…

The Nazis in Azov have largely been killed and replaced with new troops. The Nazis in America are running rampant snatching civilians off the streets. Critical difference.
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