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Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by itishappy »

greekrich92 wrote: post #17

Just want to echo someone else's sub-thread: Adderall is not at all similar to Huxley's description of Soma. Soma was about feeling good and not having to think of the evil things that make the BNW society possible, not efficiency.

Not Soma! From a talk by Huxley:

> ... I have talked to pharmacologists about this matter, and a number of them say that it’s probably quite possible that it may be possible to, by pharmacological means, which will do no harm to the organism as a whole, to increase the span of attention, to increase the powers of concentration, perhaps to cut down on the necessity for sleep, and the various other things which may lead to a very considerable increase in general mental efficiency.

https://www.organism.earth/library/document/realizing-human-...

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by Aeglaecia »

protocolture wrote: post #87
Aeglaecia wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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youre very close to freeing yourself but the stupid has an iron grip on your thoughts , i wish you all the best and hope that things may settle down

by all means keep jacking up the vitriol , it makes things even funnier when im the one who ends up getting censored

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by Nursie »

cassepipe wrote: post #3
gnatman wrote: post #2

Substituted amphetamines were already very popular in the 1950s.

... and I didn't know about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substituted_amphetamine The most famous in that family seems to be meth(amphetamine)

You've probably also heard of 3,4-Methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine, though its abbreviated name (MDMA) is likely more familiar.

It's a huuuuuge family of substances though, particularly if you go one step more generic and start with Phenylethylamine as the backbone (amphetamine is a shortening of alpha-methyl-phenethylamine), the family includes hallucinogens like mescaline, empathogens like MDMA and its close cousins, the whole 2C family, the cathinones and their derivatives ('mephedrone' had a cultural moment 10-15 years back). And some real nasties like PMA, PMMA and bromo-Dragonfly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substituted_phenethylamine

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by fy20 »

ggm wrote: post #74

"predicts" must be a variant of standard english which projects the past tense into the present tense because .. reasons? He predicted. Absent an Ouija board, he isn't predicting any more.

The title is missing context, the full sentence would be "In his final speech, Huxley predicts Adderall". The context anchors the time frame, so "predicts" is present tense at the time of the speech.

"In his 2006 paper, Roubini sees an upcoming global financial crisis"

Journalists love to do things like this - cut out the context - as it makes the headlines seem more vivid, immediate and often alarming.

"Roubini sees an upcoming global financial crisis"

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by protocolture »

Aeglaecia wrote: post #92
protocolture wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

youre very close to freeing yourself but the stupid has an iron grip on your thoughts , i wish you all the best and hope that things may settle down

by all means keep jacking up the vitriol , it makes things even funnier when im the one who ends up getting censored

>censored

Well it would be a net social good. But I expect I will see a different account with vastly the same posting style back here next time ADHD comes up, spewing the same nonsense.

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by temp0826 »

Liquix wrote: post #16
ratelimitsteve wrote: post #12

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mdma is pleasureful but extremely non-sedated

pure racemic MDMA has very little stimulant effect. street MDMA can feel stimulating because it is either intentionally mixed with caffeine/speed/meth or contains residual precursor from clandestine synthesis. my major state was one of deep relaxation ... MDMA does not work like Dexedrine ... I feel totally peaceful. - Alexander Shulgin, PIHKAL https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal109...

Shulgin used dozens (hundreds?) of these compounds. I do wonder if some of his better subjective observations might be due to simply relieving withdrawal symptoms.

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by coryrc »

loeg wrote: post #77
Loughla wrote: post #65

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Just a note for anyone passing by. The side effects are rare, except diarrhea and you need to watch your liver enzyme levels if I remember right. Everyone I know who's taken that had diarrhea the entire time (manageable with meds), and it will screw your liver long term. But I'm not a doctor either so who knows really.

I think the GI effects are basically the same between any of the -afinils, FWIW. I wouldn't recommend them in general, but mostly because they last too long to really work with a normal 16/8 sleep cycle and the other stimmy effects can detract from things other than focus work.

I never took any long-term, but I've actually napped (purposefully) the afternoon after taking one in the morning, which is impossible on amphetamines.

Which is to say, they seem better to me, but maybe long-term use is different.

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by kragen »

temp0826 wrote: post #94
kragen wrote: post #85

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Adderall is just regular amphetamine, not even a substituted amphetamine.

It's a mix of 4 different amphetamines

Two, but those are just the enantiomers dextroamphetamine and levoamphetamine. Neither has any atoms extra or missing. It looks like four amphetamines because those two cationic isomers are in salts with two different anions.

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by ggm »

fy20 wrote: post #95
ggm wrote: post #74

"predicts" must be a variant of standard english which projects the past tense into the present tense because .. reasons? He predicted. Absent an Ouija board, he isn't predicting any more.

The title is missing context, the full sentence would be "In his final speech, Huxley predicts Adderall". The context anchors the time frame, so "predicts" is present tense at the time of the speech. "In his 2006 paper, Roubini sees an upcoming global financial crisis" Journalists love to do things like this - cut out the context - as it makes the headlines seem more vivid, immediate and often alarming. "Roubini sees…

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