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Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by isodev »

ronsor wrote: post #90
isodev wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main reason I shop online is the joy of hitting that Buy button every now and then for something I want. I don’t want some dumb bot doing that for me (and getting the wrong thing 2/3 of the times) The real chore is having to go to the store to get groceries, doing laundry, pairing socks etc … but solving any of that would require more than just bullshit LLM capabilities.

> get groceries Isn't that what grocery delivery apps are for, if you really don't want to go to the store. > doing laundry, pairing socks etc … but solving any of that would require more than just bullshit LLM capabilities. Yes, it's a shame robotics (hardware) is harder than software, but that's not really the fault of AI model developers.

You kind of missed the point of my comment but ok

> not really the fault of AI model developers

It’s their fault for pushing all this crap in all the things and misleading their investors that there is actually “intelligence” in what we now call AI.

> grocery delivery apps are for

These are not popular here and for a good reason - you need to enjoy your food and it starts by picking the right ingredients yourself.

“someone packs a bag for me and delivers it to my door” is just moving the problem somewhere else, not actual innovation.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by mmmpetrichor »

I'm so glad linux is well polished enough now that I can finally use it as a daily desktop. Mint 22 is amazing with cinnamon. Switched from win11 about 2 months ago and have not once booted back to windows. first time I actually find my linux desktop experience is as good or better than windows.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

tbrownaw wrote: post #85
binsquare wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in this case, Microsoft has shown they don't respect the user when they force shutdown for system updates. This has happened during my time working retail and the mom and pops are helpless when this happens. I would never trust Microsoft to bake ai agents in..

> shown they don't respect the user when they force shutdown for system updates Are you familiar with the prior state of things that explicitly motivated this change?

Not really. Maybe I'm jinxing it, but I've never had a problem caused by failure to update my PC.

Servers I understand because they're exposed to the Internet at all times. Not PCs

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by pmontra »

> For example, if you ask ChatGPT’s Agent to book a travel

What happens if the agent books the wrong travel? I guess that the burden of canceling and getting a refund is on the user, not on Microsoft. And if no cancelation is possible? I'm sure that Microsoft is going to create the Agentic Refunds department to pay money to the people they did not serve well /s

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by vivzkestrel »

Imagine a new version of Windows being released called "Windows Optimal" In addition to Home, Professional and Pro you get to buy Optimal. The catch is that it is priced 4x the home version. You wonder why? Optimal is exactly what you think it is. A ground up 0 bloatware, 0 telemetry, 100% easily tweakable privacy and performance settings from a single screen with 0 AI features, 0 Edge and 0 games. Imagine getting your hands on this OS and then running your favorite programs on it. It is so minimal that you literally have to install notepad on it if you want to or you can always install notepad++. Dear employees and managers of Microsoft reading this comment, can you greenlight something of this caliber? like for once?

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by frfl »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #105

Imagine a new version of Windows being released called "Windows Optimal" In addition to Home, Professional and Pro you get to buy Optimal. The catch is that it is priced 4x the home version. You wonder why? Optimal is exactly what you think it is. A ground up 0 bloatware, 0 telemetry, 100% easily tweakable privacy and performance settings from a single screen with 0 AI features, 0 Edge and 0 games. Imagine getting yo…

You're just describing a Linux distribution[1]. With the added benefit of being 0x the price.

[1]: Assuming you're not married to some Windows only software that you can't get working using Proton/Wine, or don't want to run a Windows VM.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by Jcampuzano2 »

krackers wrote: post #63
the_snooze wrote: post #39

>For example, if you ask ChatGPT’s Agent to book a travel, it’ll open Chromium on Linux in an Azure container, search the query, visit different websites, navigate each page and book a flight ticket using your saved credentials. An AI Agent tries to mimic a human, and it can perform tasks on your behalf while you sit back and relax. Big tech has repeatedly shown that they are not good stewards of end users' privacy a…

I think it's hilariously tone deaf that travel booking and shopping are the two examples of "agentic" AI that keep popping up.

Because for the average person there isn't really that much they get out of todays agentic ai. This is all project managers can think of that applies to the average layperson.

It's just shitware being added to everything at very few people's benefit just so they can score some points on the stock market AI hype leaderboard.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by guelo »

tbrownaw wrote: post #85
binsquare wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in this case, Microsoft has shown they don't respect the user when they force shutdown for system updates. This has happened during my time working retail and the mom and pops are helpless when this happens. I would never trust Microsoft to bake ai agents in..

> shown they don't respect the user when they force shutdown for system updates Are you familiar with the prior state of things that explicitly motivated this change?

Security is the catchall excuse for every bad big tech behavior because they know "security" professionals will defend every f-the-user move they pull [1]. Is it improved security when I lost days of work because microsoft (and you apparently) think their patch is more important then my data? Notice, by the way, that security incidents can cost big tech a lot of money but my lost data is no skin off their back.

[1] It reminds me of dermatologists, so hyperfocused on skin cancer that they tell everybody to hide from the sun, completely oblivious to all the harm their advice causes to the rest of our health.

Re: Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by mal10c »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #105

Imagine a new version of Windows being released called "Windows Optimal" In addition to Home, Professional and Pro you get to buy Optimal. The catch is that it is priced 4x the home version. You wonder why? Optimal is exactly what you think it is. A ground up 0 bloatware, 0 telemetry, 100% easily tweakable privacy and performance settings from a single screen with 0 AI features, 0 Edge and 0 games. Imagine getting yo…

Honestly, if it ran Affinity photo and SilverFast, I'd be happy to pay that. Same goes for Linux, whatever can run those!
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