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Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by wisty »

luckydata wrote: post #67
freetime2 wrote: post #21

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It's long, but I listened to this podcast a while back with Peter Attia and Trenna Sutcliffe discussing Autism, ADHD, and Anxiety, and found that it really reduced the stigma I associated with medication for treatment of ADHD. In particular, understanding the risks of not effectively treating ADHD, in comparison with with the potential risks/benefits of the medication. That's not to say that we should only rely on me…

Behavioral therapy is only needed to make people feel better about taking amphetamines. It takes only a very cursory review of published reputable papers to realize there's nothing behavioral therapy can do to improve ADHD because as Russell Barkley says ADHD is a disability of doing, not knowing what to do.

Not true.

CBT works pretty well for adhd, studies are clear on this.

But medication seems even better, as does a combination of therapy and medication.

ADHD isn't unusual as far as the effectiveness of therapy, it's unusual in how well the medication is proven to work.

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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protocolture wrote: post #78
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>modern western society exhibits a plethora of conditions that are likely to result in the manifestation of adhd behaviours in non adhd individuals Maybe. >a brain scan is not part of the diagnostic criteria for labelling adhd Correct. >taking speed makes anyone more productive, not just those with adhd We arent talking about productivity gains. >for me to reconsider my comment you would have to provide a convincing…

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Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by throwuxiytayq »

Aeglaecia wrote: post #76
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So, instead of reading what I wrote, you choose to remain willfully ignorant. I am not responding further for your sake, but for the sake of those who read this thread. > taking speed makes anyone more productive, not just those with adhd. Speed (methamphetamine) has the same relationship to Adderall (dextroamphetamines) as methanol does to ethanol; a difference in methyl group. Ethanol (aka alcohol) is commonly used…

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You settle down, ok?

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Post by nsriv »

consumer451 wrote: post #18
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Methamphetamine was invented in Germany in 1937 and the German military at the time was very quick to adopt its use.

An army of tweakers. I don't think that this aspect of the War and the Holocaust are discussed enough. Certainly no excuse, but it is very interesting. > Chronic Meth users have deficits in memory and executive functioning as well as higher rates of anxiety, depression, and most notably psychosis. [0] In more recent times of horror: > After the fall of the al-Assad regime in Syria, large stockpiles of the illicit dru…

Highly recommend the book "Blitzed: Drugs in the Third Reich" by Norman Ohler, a podcast promo led me to get the book from the library and I really liked it!

Re: Aldous Huxley predicts Adderall and champions alternative therapies

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Post by itishappy »

alterom wrote: post #66
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The title is perhaps a bit unfortunate. I don't believe this is specifically about ADHD. Adderall is a stimulant with the effects Huxley predicted. It also happens to treat ADHD. I believe it's being used here in the former capacity.

>Adderall is a stimulant with the effects Huxley predicted. That's exactly my point: it is NOT. Not for the people Adderall is prescribed to and was developed for . See: https://romankogan.net/adhd#Medication >I don't believe this is specifically about ADHD. There's nothing to believe in here. Adderall is a drug that's specifically about ADHD . It's a stimulant that helps people with ADHD overcome executive dysfuncti…

> You can't talk about Adderall without talking about ADHD...

Huxley never mentions Adderall, and neither Huxley nor the article mention ADHD.

I'm not trying to argue with your points about how Adderall relates to ADHD. I agree! I empathize!

I'm arguing that this is not about how Adderall relates to ADHD. I don't think our experience is the intended context.

The talk is mostly about tailoring learning to the individual. I think you'd find it's points quite agreeable!

> you will likely FUCK YOURSELF UP.

To be fair, there's evidence it does the same to us.

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Post by protocolture »

Aeglaecia wrote: post #82
protocolture wrote: post #78

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>modern western society exhibits a plethora of conditions that are likely to result in the manifestation of adhd behaviours in non adhd individuals Maybe. >a brain scan is not part of the diagnostic criteria for labelling adhd Correct. >taking speed makes anyone more productive, not just those with adhd We arent talking about productivity gains. >for me to reconsider my comment you would have to provide a convincing…

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youre very close to freeing yourself but the stupid has an iron grip on your thoughts , i wish you all the best and hope that things may settle down

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Post by alterom »

Aeglaecia wrote: post #82
protocolture wrote: post #78

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>modern western society exhibits a plethora of conditions that are likely to result in the manifestation of adhd behaviours in non adhd individuals Maybe. >a brain scan is not part of the diagnostic criteria for labelling adhd Correct. >taking speed makes anyone more productive, not just those with adhd We arent talking about productivity gains. >for me to reconsider my comment you would have to provide a convincing…

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There were no personal accusations in the comment you're responding to.

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Post by itishappy »

latentsea wrote: post #79
itishappy wrote: post #50

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The title is perhaps a bit unfortunate. I don't believe this is specifically about ADHD. Adderall is a stimulant with the effects Huxley predicted. It also happens to treat ADHD. I believe it's being used here in the former capacity.

The thing is, when you have ADHD and you take stimulants you don't feel any sort of high or however it makes people with normally functioning dopamine receptors feel, you just feel normal.

Oh, I still feel a bit high. Particularly when I start taking them after a hiatus. Or up the dose.

Anyway, here's what Huxley's had to say:

> ... I have talked to pharmacologists about this matter, and a number of them say that it’s probably quite possible that it may be possible to, by pharmacological means, which will do no harm to the organism as a whole, to increase the span of attention, to increase the powers of concentration, perhaps to cut down on the necessity for sleep, and the various other things which may lead to a very considerable increase in general mental efficiency.

No high mentioned. Remarkably accurate to my experience.

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Post by alterom »

Aeglaecia wrote: post #76
alterom wrote: post #73

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So, instead of reading what I wrote, you choose to remain willfully ignorant. I am not responding further for your sake, but for the sake of those who read this thread. > taking speed makes anyone more productive, not just those with adhd. Speed (methamphetamine) has the same relationship to Adderall (dextroamphetamines) as methanol does to ethanol; a difference in methyl group. Ethanol (aka alcohol) is commonly used…

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>youre very close to freeing yourself but the speed has an iron grip on your thoughts , i wish you all the best and hope that things may settle down

Oh my. I was going to ask if you've drank a glass of methanol to argue that Adderall and speed the same thing, as I suggested... but judging my the content of your comments, you might have had more than one already.

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