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Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

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Re: Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

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post #41

> it targeted a single endpoint in Australia. It would really help to understand why attack one endpoint with "the largest DDoS attack ever observed in the cloud". If it was important, it would be redundant in its CDN. Who paid for this attack and what did they gain?

It's just a couple of local Aussie nerds beefing again. Simmo broke up with Jonno's sister via IM, so feelings were hurt.

Re: Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

#172
post #63
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> have something better than this wild west lawlessness. Careful what you wish for. Before you know it you can't have an IP without your ID.

This is already the case in Germany and many other countries. Same for phone numbers. On the other hand, I get no spam calls, and I can't access the sites on https://cuiiliste.de/domains - censorship is amazing.

If spam calls is the price I have to pay to avoid censorship then I'm okay with that. We need resilient decentralized protocols, not centralized authoritarian bodies.

Re: Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

#173
post #98

This is what I don't get >The Aisuru DDoS botnet operates as a DDoS-for-hire service with restricted clientele; operators have reportedly implemented preventive measures to avoid attacking governmental, law enforcement, military, and other national security properties. Most observed Aisuru attacks to date appear to be related to online gaming. https://www.netscout.com/blog/asert/asert-threat-summary-ais... So why? Li…

Mad salt. Imagine a fully grown man having a toddler tantrum. "If I can't play/win/get my way, nobody can" type mentality. It's also a method of coercion. Give me mod status or I'll DDOS your server and destroy your community. The other half comes from sever operators ddosing their competition. There is a lot of money to be made from paid cosmetics, ranks, moderator (demi-tyrant) status, etc on custom servers.

>There is a lot of money to be made from paid cosmetics, ranks, moderator (demi-tyrant) status, etc on custom servers.

Anyone have any idea how much a 15 Tbps DDoS attack would cost?

Thousands of dollars? Tens of thousands?

Re: Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

#174
post #98

This is what I don't get >The Aisuru DDoS botnet operates as a DDoS-for-hire service with restricted clientele; operators have reportedly implemented preventive measures to avoid attacking governmental, law enforcement, military, and other national security properties. Most observed Aisuru attacks to date appear to be related to online gaming. https://www.netscout.com/blog/asert/asert-threat-summary-ais... So why? Li…

Mad salt. Imagine a fully grown man having a toddler tantrum. "If I can't play/win/get my way, nobody can" type mentality. It's also a method of coercion. Give me mod status or I'll DDOS your server and destroy your community. The other half comes from sever operators ddosing their competition. There is a lot of money to be made from paid cosmetics, ranks, moderator (demi-tyrant) status, etc on custom servers.

What you are saying fits perfectly well in minecraft communities.

Are you mentioning the minecraft community by your message or any other gaming communities too

Re: Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

#175
post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mad salt. Imagine a fully grown man having a toddler tantrum. "If I can't play/win/get my way, nobody can" type mentality. It's also a method of coercion. Give me mod status or I'll DDOS your server and destroy your community. The other half comes from sever operators ddosing their competition. There is a lot of money to be made from paid cosmetics, ranks, moderator (demi-tyrant) status, etc on custom servers.

>There is a lot of money to be made from paid cosmetics, ranks, moderator (demi-tyrant) status, etc on custom servers. Anyone have any idea how much a 15 Tbps DDoS attack would cost? Thousands of dollars? Tens of thousands?

I'm wagering something cheap for individual with a lot of bitcoin or crypto laying around

Re: Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

#176
post #65
post #45

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This won't do anything. The attacks are not from the offending countries they're from botnets of compromised devices. North Korea doesn't care if you limit their internet they already allow people to go outside their own.

perfect, then we just nullroute at source with Flowspec, even if we change the goalposts a thousand times in this thread there does exist a technical solution to this problem. Just not enough economic or political incentive to pay for it.

It's not changing the goalpost. You're just describing a solution that are heavy-handed, yet incredibly easy to circumvent.

Re: Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

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post #143
post #98

This is what I don't get >The Aisuru DDoS botnet operates as a DDoS-for-hire service with restricted clientele; operators have reportedly implemented preventive measures to avoid attacking governmental, law enforcement, military, and other national security properties. Most observed Aisuru attacks to date appear to be related to online gaming. https://www.netscout.com/blog/asert/asert-threat-summary-ais... So why? Li…

What is even more interesting why attack Azure? It's not possible to extort anything from Microsoft, so what's the rationale?

> targeting a specific public IP address

They weren't targeting Azure itself, per se, but some service which was hosted on Azure.

The IP address in question wasn't mentioned, so we're left to speculate what this was about.

Re: Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

#178
post #33

I will never understand why there isn’t an international law enforcement agency with teeth, which can get rid of the bad actors.

The international organisation for stopping wars, human trafficking, money laundering, drug distribution etc. however capable they might be, haven't managed to stamp out any of those things. I'd say a putative UN NetWatch would suffer from the same issues of funding and corruption and politics, but still we might have something better than this wild west lawlessness.

> The international organisation for stopping wars, human trafficking, money laundering, drug distribution etc. however capable they might be, haven't managed to stamp out any of those things.

They've never been expected to "stamp out" those things, any more than a city police department is expected to stamp out all crime and doctors are expected to stamp out all illness. Their mission is to reduce those things:

For warfare, they have been extremely successful relative to human history. War has actually become taboo and illegal, and very few happen. Look at history before the UN - it's a miracle. Think of the vision and confidence of people who, looking at 10,000 years of human history, immediately after two world wars, thought it was even possible, came up with effective strategy, did the hard work, and accomplished it.

I don't know the details of the other fields.

> I'd say a putative UN NetWatch would suffer from the same issues of funding and corruption and politics, but still we might have something better than this wild west lawlessness.

Politics and funding, and corruption, come with every human institution over a certain size, and especially with governments which can't exclude undesireable people: Democratic governments are the least corrupt, but if the people elect a corrupt representative or executive, then nobody can kick them out (unless they commit prosecutable crimes). And now imagine an association or confederation of governments, which is what the UN is.

So yes, the goal is to make something better. Otherwise, we might as well quit on everything.

Re: Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

#179
post #81

A DDoS attack is often used to distract a company's security team. While the security staff is scrambling to get the website back online, the attackers use the chaos to conduct a more serious, stealthy attack.

It was interesting to read that the record breaking attack caused no glitch whatsoever in the service MS provides. Which is so slow normally that I start to wonder if that is a strategy, having headroom for these kind of situations, no-one realizes slowdown when it is already slow. ;) This is just a crazy thought, tangential to what are happening during an attack.

There are many things which run well on Azure - built by companies with good dev teams.

https://trends.builtwith.com/websitelist/Microsoft-Azure

Plenty of crappy websites on the list too.

Re: Azure hit by 15 Tbps DDoS attack using 500k IP addresses

#180
post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mad salt. Imagine a fully grown man having a toddler tantrum. "If I can't play/win/get my way, nobody can" type mentality. It's also a method of coercion. Give me mod status or I'll DDOS your server and destroy your community. The other half comes from sever operators ddosing their competition. There is a lot of money to be made from paid cosmetics, ranks, moderator (demi-tyrant) status, etc on custom servers.

>There is a lot of money to be made from paid cosmetics, ranks, moderator (demi-tyrant) status, etc on custom servers. Anyone have any idea how much a 15 Tbps DDoS attack would cost? Thousands of dollars? Tens of thousands?

Ballpark math says you could sustain it for half an hour on Hetzner for $5k-$6k (only from 1500 IPs though), at least if your account didn't get banned first and you're halfway decent at network programming. I have no idea what a proper botnet like this costs though or how large the profit margins are.
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