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More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by kcplate »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #22
tharne wrote: post #12

This makes sense. If one of your political platforms is to weaken and reduce the police force, then buying a gun is a very logical and practical thing to do.

It is more like if you have to worry about masked goons breaking into your house and trying to kidnap you or your family members then maybe you can't trust the government either.

Wait, what? I thought the main leftward argument against the necessity of the second amendment was that we can now trust our government to not overstep its authority and people protecting themselves against tyranny was no longer needed?

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by testing22321 »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #28
testing22321 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never in my life heard or read anyone, of any social standing, political affiliation, education or station of life discuss the abolition of police entirely. Is this like “they’re eating dogs!”?

>> I have never in my life heard or read anyone, of any social standing, political affiliation, education or station of life discuss the abolition of police entirely "Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police" -- New York Times opinion headline, June 12, 2020, https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol... I can remember things that happened 5 years ago.

I don’t read the NYT and likely I don’t live in the same country as you.

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by kcplate »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #16

Ratio of gun ownership per party has shifted maybe from 40:1 to 39.99:1. While this is real, by the numbers it's inconsequential and of no note. But it is a vibe shift. Both inconsequential. But: this is worth noting. And it's just cursed as frell that the left has seen such a shift that they abandon governance, abandon the state, feel the Dont Step On Me militarizing insanitude viruses that has afflicted & demented…

Perhaps it’s just my location in the country but virtually everyone I know is armed regardless of political leaning in my area and it’s been that way for at least the four decades I have lived here. You just assume it and it’s no big deal.

Of course here left and right tend to socialize together here and no one seems to hung up on if someone disagrees politically. For instance, I’ve been to a neighbors house and drank shitty Trump branded wine while playing Eucre with Trump casino playing cards. Had a respectful discussion about politics and while no one changed any minds, we had a great time nonetheless.

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by stockresearcher »

testing22321 wrote: post #25
HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be the liberal position on average, but if you have a social circle that’s lefter than average, as in many metro areas, you’ll occasionally hear a desire for outright abolition of police. Not even a simple local constabulary walking the beat, as there is a meme going around that such law enforcement came out of gangs that hunted down fugitive slaves and is inherently tainted. (Nevermind the existence of su…

I have never in my life heard or read anyone, of any social standing, political affiliation, education or station of life discuss the abolition of police entirely. Is this like “they’re eating dogs!”?

Well, today in fact a town in Wisconsin officially shut down their police department [1]. This area leans Republican, so it’s unlikely that the woke mob did it; probably just couldn’t afford the police anymore. But there you go: people discussed it and then did it.

[1] https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/southeastern-wisconsin...

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by eindiran »

testing22321 wrote: post #32
rufus_foreman wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I have never in my life heard or read anyone, of any social standing, political affiliation, education or station of life discuss the abolition of police entirely "Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police" -- New York Times opinion headline, June 12, 2020, https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol... I can remember things that happened 5 years ago.

I don’t read the NYT and likely I don’t live in the same country as you.

Then maybe stop commenting about contentious topics in US politics?

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by RickJWagner »

qwerpy wrote: post #11
happytoexplain wrote: post #8

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Why would you explicitly assume something that confirms your bias? Why not just say that you suspect a trend? Individual anecdote, but I bought a pistol for defense in the US because of the (two way) threats I constantly read and hear in my real life , and I do not consume any social media. No Twitter, no Facebook. I don't read news outside HN, my local paper, and the occasional CS Monitor story. I rarely sit around…

In my social circle (mostly Asian tech employees in the PNW) there were many first-time gun purchases immediately after the social unrest in 2020. Hysterical social media posts about "the riots are going to come to the suburbs" factored into it. The fears ended up being completely overblown. Now there are different groups of people who are predicting violence and feeling the need to do something about it. Too early t…

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Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by happytoexplain »

eindiran wrote: post #35
testing22321 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t read the NYT and likely I don’t live in the same country as you.

Then maybe stop commenting about contentious topics in US politics?

Why bring this pointless hostility to HN? Just disagree, rather than the petty internet-style sneering/gatekeeping.

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by _lvbh »

kcplate wrote: post #31
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is more like if you have to worry about masked goons breaking into your house and trying to kidnap you or your family members then maybe you can't trust the government either.

Wait, what? I thought the main leftward argument against the necessity of the second amendment was that we can now trust our government to not overstep its authority and people protecting themselves against tyranny was no longer needed?

You could also look at it from the opposite perspective: the military is now too powerful for private ownership of guns to do much and the downsides of having gun ownership now outweigh the nonexistent benefits

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by krapp »

kcplate wrote: post #31
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is more like if you have to worry about masked goons breaking into your house and trying to kidnap you or your family members then maybe you can't trust the government either.

Wait, what? I thought the main leftward argument against the necessity of the second amendment was that we can now trust our government to not overstep its authority and people protecting themselves against tyranny was no longer needed?

All of the anarchists and socialists and marginalized and oppressed communities are on the left. Their arguments against gun ownership and the second amendment were never based on an implicit trust in government.
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