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This narrative about the founding of Israel is false. Israel was founded in the middle of an offensive when it was "descended upon by the Arab world". That was a defensive reaction to Israel's brutal Plan Dalet, an invasion and occupation of Palestine, which extended far beyond what the UN had drawn up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet And then they destroyed 500 villages, ethnically cleansed Palestine of thr…

I appreciate you sharing these links and pushing back. It’s clear you’re coming from a place of deep conviction about the historical injustices here, and I respect that.

The Nakba is undeniably a catastrophe for Palestinians, involving mass expulsions, village destructions, and profound human suffering that shapes their identity to this day.

Plan Dalet, as outlined in the Wikipedia article you linked, was indeed a Haganah blueprint that shifted to offensive operations, leading to the depopulation of hundreds of villages and the flight or expulsion of around 750,000 Palestinians.

Historians like Ilan Pappé (in “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine”) argue it was a systematic plan for ethnic cleansing, with tactics like sieges, bombings, and forced removals. That’s not something to downplay or excuse: it’s a dark chapter, and comparing elements to other atrocities (while avoiding direct equivalences) highlights the moral weight.

That said, I think the full picture is even more layered, and understanding both sides means grappling with the context without absolving anyone. The Arab states’ intervention in May 1948 wasn’t purely defensive; it was also driven by their own territorial ambitions and opposition to the UN Partition Plan (which, as you note, was flawed and rejected by Palestinians and Arabs for giving 55% of the land to a Jewish minority that owned ~7%). But Plan Dalet was finalized in March 1948 amid escalating civil war violence; after the UN vote in November 1947 sparked attacks from both sides, including Arab irregulars blockading Jewish areas and the Haganah responding in kind. Benny Morris (a “New Historian” who revised much of the traditional Israeli narrative) describes it as a response to anticipated Arab invasions, though he acknowledges the expulsions were often brutal and opportunistic. The plan’s text emphasizes securing Jewish areas and borders “in anticipation of” invasion, but in practice, it went beyond that, capturing territory outside the UN-allotted Jewish state.

You’re right that this wasn’t explicitly sanctioned by the UN, and the partition itself violated self-determination principles (as the Arab Higher Committee argued). But the “retconning” happened post-facto through armistice lines and international recognition of Israel. It’s tragic that Palestinians paid the price for European colonialism, the Holocaust’s aftermath, and Zionist aspirations; all while Arab leaders failed to unify or protect them effectively. My original point wasn’t to defend Israel as “legitimate” in every action (far from it: they’ve committed wrongs that demand accountability). It was to urge empathy for how each side’s trauma fuels the cycle: Israelis seeing 1948 as survival against existential threats (five Arab armies invading a nascent state), Palestinians as the theft of their homeland. Both narratives have truths, and dismissing one entirely risks perpetuating the divide. If we’re serious about peace, we need to hold space for that complexity; maybe starting with works like Morris’s “1948” or Rashid Khalidi’s “The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine” for balanced views.

Thanks for engaging thoughtfully; these conversations are hard but necessary.

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Uhhhh, not sure about you, but I wouldn't want anything Israeli within 10m of my phone.

If you want to _really_ bar anything of Israeli origin, you should: - Not use Intel processors, as many are developed in Haifa - Not use a firewall. It was invented in the IDF. - Not use Waze. It's Israeli. - Not use thumb drives. Invented in Israel. - Not eat cherry tomatoes. Israeli development. The list goes on and on, but I must add - if you ever suffer a serious head or stomach injury, tell the medics to not use…

What does any of that have to do with GP not wanting israeli spyware on his smartphone? Maybe your mention of Waze is tangentially related but that's about it?

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Has no-one bothered to reverse engineer the app and see what it's actually doing before launching into hundreds of words of breathless conjecture?

If not, this article and almost every comment on this submission is a colossal waste of time.

This is supposed to be a technical website full of inquisitive hackers, right? Then perhaps try to examine the facts instead of guessing and bullshitting.

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Uhhhh, not sure about you, but I wouldn't want anything Israeli within 10m of my phone.

ROFL. Best step up to your words and throw away your phone then. All major tech companies and chip manufacturers have R&D and design centers in Israel.

Is it easy to bake vulns into chips during the design stage only?

Genuine question.

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AppCloud is not only in India. It is on some OEM version of the phone in the US as well. How did I know? My phone had random notifications promoting apps that I had never heard of, and I couldn't find a way to disable them. Eventually I found and removed it via adb. These scumbags.

Any chance you can remember the package name? It's not mentioned in the article or ones it linked to, and I can't quickly find it on my phone. There is the vaguely named "application recommendations" that going by a quick search should be com.samsung.android.mapsagent

com.aura.oobe.att

Apparently only for the at&t variant.

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If you want to _really_ bar anything of Israeli origin, you should: - Not use Intel processors, as many are developed in Haifa - Not use a firewall. It was invented in the IDF. - Not use Waze. It's Israeli. - Not use thumb drives. Invented in Israel. - Not eat cherry tomatoes. Israeli development. The list goes on and on, but I must add - if you ever suffer a serious head or stomach injury, tell the medics to not use…

What does any of that have to do with GP not wanting israeli spyware on his smartphone? Maybe your mention of Waze is tangentially related but that's about it?

Exactly, I unistalled Waze once I knew it was Israeli, as well as avoided about a dozen of VPN providers acquired by ex-Mossad led Kape Technologies

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> I bought myself for just a few euro a Bluetooth DAC (a FiiO) that had superior sound quality to any phone’s audio-out that I had ever used. I hate the 3.5'' jack myself (see below), but I can already tell you that mentioning some unscientific definition of "superior sound quality" that likely no one amongst us is humanly able to distinguish is not going to win any minds over. Proponents of 3.5'' like it because it…

Talking about “superior sound quality” in the context of mobile phones isn’t controversial, it’s not like a home-stereo audiophile snake oil debate. It is well known that DACs are an area where mid-range and low-end phone makers have cut corners, choosing chips that are quite flawed for anyone who uses their phone to listen to music where pristine sound quality is valued.

The elephant in the room for me is "microphonics" or the noise piped to your head via the wire any time anything touches it.

You demand higher quality, yet don't care about the loud noise created with every small movement of your body? I have heard this dismissed before as "doesn't bother me" and it's hardly ever mentioned in discussions about good audio vs Bluetooth.

I'm bewildered why wireless audio isn't praised for completely eliminating this source of noise that plagues every wired headphone, earbud, and IEM.

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This narrative about the founding of Israel is false. Israel was founded in the middle of an offensive when it was "descended upon by the Arab world". That was a defensive reaction to Israel's brutal Plan Dalet, an invasion and occupation of Palestine, which extended far beyond what the UN had drawn up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet And then they destroyed 500 villages, ethnically cleansed Palestine of thr…

I appreciate you sharing these links and pushing back. It’s clear you’re coming from a place of deep conviction about the historical injustices here, and I respect that. The Nakba is undeniably a catastrophe for Palestinians, involving mass expulsions, village destructions, and profound human suffering that shapes their identity to this day. Plan Dalet, as outlined in the Wikipedia article you linked, was indeed a Ha…

Thank you also for engaging in a civil manner.

I still don't understand how you can view the Israeli foundation myth, and the "fear of an existential threat" as legitimate, when the Israeli state's founding was an unjust, immoral, wrong undertaking, the foundation of a colony on someone's homeland.

If a perpetrator breaks into a house and kicks out the homeowners, then declares the attempts to take back said house as an existential threat to their new house ownership, a reasonable person would not view that as a legitimate concern.

It's just not a logically consistent way to look at the situation. I agree that the current day situation is different, considering Israel has existed for two generations. It still does not change the fact that they are forcing an apartheid on the Palestinians, and are engaged in genocide, and have sabotaged any attempt to solve the situation by means other than ethnic cleansing.

I refuse to consider a balanced view when the crimes that have been committed are so unbalanced. Israel has established a society, and that society has clearly established itself as the bad guy, Palestine has not even had a chance to create a society for themselves, so they cannot even be judged to the same standard. But even if we do, it's hard to see them as anything but victims of Zionist oppression.

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What’s striking is how often these ‘small’ surveillance tech stories trace back to the same state-aligned ecosystem. When Israel does it, it’s treated as a complex security issue. When another ‘bad’ country does the same thing, we immediately call it espionage. And almost on cue, the discussion drifts anywhere except the uncomfortable fact that it’s the same ecosystem from the same country showing up again.

it’s a tough infosec situation because the tel aviv-haifa corridor in israel has an enormous amount of computer science R&D going on that gives US companies a competitive advantage. for example, annapurna labs in haifa develops the technology behind AWS’s nitro cards, which run the hypervisor, block storage, and networking in every EC2 server.

And surely no way to monitor what's going on in those VMs

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I mean, it's literally the same thing that happens when past genocides are bad, but when they happen today from an ally of the west... "it's complicated". Except this time happens on the technological side rather than the humanitarian one

> an ally of the west Remind me again of all the help Israel has provided the USA/the West that they are considered such a great (the greatest, in fact) ally?

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