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Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by delichon »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #16

Ratio of gun ownership per party has shifted maybe from 40:1 to 39.99:1. While this is real, by the numbers it's inconsequential and of no note. But it is a vibe shift. Both inconsequential. But: this is worth noting. And it's just cursed as frell that the left has seen such a shift that they abandon governance, abandon the state, feel the Dont Step On Me militarizing insanitude viruses that has afflicted & demented…

> Ratio of gun ownership per party has shifted maybe from 40:1 to 39.99:1.

More like 5:2.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/653621/gun-ownership-rates-spik...

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

tharne wrote: post #12

This makes sense. If one of your political platforms is to weaken and reduce the police force, then buying a gun is a very logical and practical thing to do.

It is more like if you have to worry about masked goons breaking into your house and trying to kidnap you or your family members then maybe you can't trust the government either.

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Post by orwin »

tharne wrote: post #12

This makes sense. If one of your political platforms is to weaken and reduce the police force, then buying a gun is a very logical and practical thing to do.

From my understanding, the issue with the police in the US is that they have to do to much, work as EMT, social services, mental health services, community police (proximity police? basically neighborhood cop), peacekeepers (during protests or organized events), investigating, policing traffic...

So you actually have a big "company" responsible for something you could dispatch to at least 4 other services (i've heard call to divided it in 7 parts, but i can't find where i read that, so let's be reasonable and say 4), and they have too much political power because of it. Divide the budget accordingly, correctly train teh police and "new police", call it "police" too because branding works and to stop people from crying out in fear ("mental health police" might not be the best brand, but other might work), and actually separate departements, and concerns. Separate training material, separate training place, split the union. Also make a department that will take care of orphaned police kids.

"Divide the police" is a way better catchphrase anyway.

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by testing22321 »

HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #18
happytoexplain wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems dishonest. Surely the liberal position - on average - is the rejection of dangerous police, even if that means rejecting a large number of police officers, until the police force (nationally and/or locally) is once again a trustworthy foundation of democratic civilization? The unfortunate reality is that, when you have a class of people with authority and guns, even if only a small minority of them are dan…

That might be the liberal position on average, but if you have a social circle that’s lefter than average, as in many metro areas, you’ll occasionally hear a desire for outright abolition of police. Not even a simple local constabulary walking the beat, as there is a meme going around that such law enforcement came out of gangs that hunted down fugitive slaves and is inherently tainted. (Nevermind the existence of su…

I have never in my life heard or read anyone, of any social standing, political affiliation, education or station of life discuss the abolition of police entirely.

Is this like “they’re eating dogs!”?

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Post by HeinzStuckeIt »

testing22321 wrote: post #25
HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be the liberal position on average, but if you have a social circle that’s lefter than average, as in many metro areas, you’ll occasionally hear a desire for outright abolition of police. Not even a simple local constabulary walking the beat, as there is a meme going around that such law enforcement came out of gangs that hunted down fugitive slaves and is inherently tainted. (Nevermind the existence of su…

I have never in my life heard or read anyone, of any social standing, political affiliation, education or station of life discuss the abolition of police entirely. Is this like “they’re eating dogs!”?

I have, it’s an originally online meme that has been taken up by some of the people in my life, frankly as a shibboleth for the progressive values they want to be seen as holding. But anecdote aside, a search for "abolish policing slave patrols" will get you plenty of advocacy, e.g. [0] (as well as critique from the opposing end of the ideological spectrum).

[0] https://criticalresistance.org/abolish-policing/

Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by tharne »

testing22321 wrote: post #25
HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be the liberal position on average, but if you have a social circle that’s lefter than average, as in many metro areas, you’ll occasionally hear a desire for outright abolition of police. Not even a simple local constabulary walking the beat, as there is a meme going around that such law enforcement came out of gangs that hunted down fugitive slaves and is inherently tainted. (Nevermind the existence of su…

I have never in my life heard or read anyone, of any social standing, political affiliation, education or station of life discuss the abolition of police entirely. Is this like “they’re eating dogs!”?

> I have never in my life heard or read anyone, of any social standing, political affiliation, education or station of life discuss the abolition of police entirely.

It was quite literally a slogan and rallying cry.

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Post by rufus_foreman »

testing22321 wrote: post #25
HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be the liberal position on average, but if you have a social circle that’s lefter than average, as in many metro areas, you’ll occasionally hear a desire for outright abolition of police. Not even a simple local constabulary walking the beat, as there is a meme going around that such law enforcement came out of gangs that hunted down fugitive slaves and is inherently tainted. (Nevermind the existence of su…

I have never in my life heard or read anyone, of any social standing, political affiliation, education or station of life discuss the abolition of police entirely. Is this like “they’re eating dogs!”?

>> I have never in my life heard or read anyone, of any social standing, political affiliation, education or station of life discuss the abolition of police entirely

"Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police"

-- New York Times opinion headline, June 12, 2020, https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...

I can remember things that happened 5 years ago.

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Post by TacticalCoder »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #16

Ratio of gun ownership per party has shifted maybe from 40:1 to 39.99:1. While this is real, by the numbers it's inconsequential and of no note. But it is a vibe shift. Both inconsequential. But: this is worth noting. And it's just cursed as frell that the left has seen such a shift that they abandon governance, abandon the state, feel the Dont Step On Me militarizing insanitude viruses that has afflicted & demented…

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Re: More liberals, people of color and LGBTQ say they're buying guns out of fear

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Post by jerlam »

tharne wrote: post #12

This makes sense. If one of your political platforms is to weaken and reduce the police force, then buying a gun is a very logical and practical thing to do.

No, this doesn't make any sense because the "liberals" have not been recently voted into power in order to achieve their political platforms. The opposite has occurred - they are the powerless ones.
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