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Re: Real time map of trains in Japan

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Related .. Something I've been working on to learn d3.js A table of "happenings" on the Tokyo metro line for the last 30 days scraped hourly from the Tokyo metro site. The animations are a bit pointless but you get the idea!

http://poyo.co/metro

Yesterday's typhoon really messed things up!

Re: Real time map of trains in Japan

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Related .. Something I've been working on to learn d3.js A table of "happenings" on the Tokyo metro line for the last 30 days scraped hourly from the Tokyo metro site. The animations are a bit pointless but you get the idea! http://poyo.co/metro Yesterday's typhoon really messed things up!

Very cool! Do you have any data on how long the "happening" lasted? Would be neat if you could somehow incorporate that into the size of the circle in the left graph, or instead of showing the number of happenings on the right graph, you could instead show the downtime.

Re: Real time map of trains in Japan

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Related .. Something I've been working on to learn d3.js A table of "happenings" on the Tokyo metro line for the last 30 days scraped hourly from the Tokyo metro site. The animations are a bit pointless but you get the idea! http://poyo.co/metro Yesterday's typhoon really messed things up!

Very cool! Do you have any data on how long the "happening" lasted? Would be neat if you could somehow incorporate that into the size of the circle in the left graph, or instead of showing the number of happenings on the right graph, you could instead show the downtime.

Most end in the same way (平常どおり運転しています。 - returned to normal operation) so, it's possible, sure!

Re: Real time map of trains in Japan

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>but it's not "real" real-time because it is not based on the actual locations of the trains. It's "real-time" enough in Japan because trains in Japan are almost always on time.

Baaahahahahahahahahhahahahaaaaaa Train was 8 minutes late this morning and 3 lines were stopped. Probably due to the Typhoon yesterday causing scheduling problems but even on normal days Japanese trains are not the paragons of time-keeping the west seem to make them out to be (Although they ARE miles better than anything I have seen in the UK for instance.) [EDIT] Note: Previous poster downgraded the conviction of hi…

Nothing is perfect, not even Japanese trains, but in my experience, the grandparent poster is closer to the truth than you are: Japanese trains are paragons of time-keeping ("paragon: a model or pattern of excellence or of a particular excellence").

Obviously right after a typhoon is a bad time to measure anything, but in normal operation, Japanese trains are extremely punctual, to a degree that's downright astonishing to anyone used to trains in most other countries. Arriving more than a minute late is unusual (less than that is hard to judge because the timetables don't include seconds).

The only real exceptions are situations where it's almost impossible to do better—cleaning up after a suicide (and here they're still many times faster than in the U.S., for instance), or operating in inclement weather so severe that attempting normal operation would be dangerous.

These exceptions do happen often enough that anybody who lives in Japan will be inconvenienced occasionally (with suicides being the main offender), but 99% of the time, you can set your watch by train arrivals.

More to the point, there seems little they could do to make punctuality much better, unless they can figure out how to cheer up the population to the point of discouraging suicides (and of course they are actually working on this issue by moving to platform doors on some lines, not to mention more wacky methods like the blue lights underneath the ends of platforms).

If something is so good that there's little practical room for any improvement, doesn't that make it a pretty good candidate for being called "a paragon"?

Re: Real time map of trains in Japan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Baaahahahahahahahahhahahahaaaaaa Train was 8 minutes late this morning and 3 lines were stopped. Probably due to the Typhoon yesterday causing scheduling problems but even on normal days Japanese trains are not the paragons of time-keeping the west seem to make them out to be (Although they ARE miles better than anything I have seen in the UK for instance.) [EDIT] Note: Previous poster downgraded the conviction of hi…

What is considered late there? If a train arrives within 6 minutes of schedule and departs within 11 it's considered 'on time' in my part of Australia.

Sometimes they arrive 1 or 2 minutes late due to stuff like urgent track inspection/maintenance. This is generally not considered a big deal, although the conductor will still announce it and briefly apologize for it.

Leaving 6 minutes (let alone 11) later than the schedule is definitely considered late. If you're changing lines, which in practice most people have to do when commuting in Tokyo, a 5 minute delay can result in an even bigger total delay (e.g. if the next train you take is an express one, and it comes every 15min).

Delays longer than that are usually due to bodily accidents which is an euphemism for "someone just jumped in the tracks", and typhoons and other natural accidents. The former is more common.

What I found more amazing when I fist came is that buses also come on time! Although of course short delays are more common than with trains, they're pretty much on schedule. The flip side is that they run very slowly and stop every other block. When I used to commute by bike I often kept up with buses for long stretches.

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