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Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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I recently bought a cheap android device because I needed to test something on Android. The setup was about 3 hours of the device starting up, asking me questions, installing apps I explicitly told it not to, and then all sorts of other apps and OS updates trying to do their thing seemingly at once. I wasn't even transferring data, just a brand new phone, new google account. What a horrible experience you get with so…

That would make Samsung's business model not viable. :D

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Redis and Elasticsearch were both built by Israelis, and there is also Israeli code in important projects like the Linux kernel. And of course, also Israeli contributions in closed-source tech like CUDA. Avoiding all of that is a pretty tall order. But if you want to impair your systems by purifying them based on national origin of the contributors, have at it.

In fact Elasticsearch was specifically mentioned as a partner of the "Gaza Humanitarian Foundation", a fake aid org who caused many Palestinians to be killed under their watch. (Elasticsearch denied involvement when I contacted them)

But to be more specific I would narrow it down to avoiding using any tech which Israel could use for surveillance, narrative control, or harm.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP self-describes as "Cofounder of Tech for Palestine", so making that sort of mental association is not unexpected.

It's a pretty well established phenomenon and he cites israeli leaders. no need for ad-hominem attacks. What's your argument for allowing spyware?

he cited a single Israeli private citizen. not Israeli leaders.

The fact that a data-harvesting bloatware is installed on common handsets should be controversial enough.

Both the title of this post and the link try to add "Israel is baaaad" angle as just because a company was founded in Israel.

Israel is a middle-eastern tech hub that produces a lot of tech companies and innovations. Its just a numbers game that some of them will be working on things of questionable value to humanity.

What GP suggesting is discriminating against all technologies developed by Israel because of his political views, nothing more.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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My guess is, those auto installs is exactly how they keep the costs down, by subsidizing the cost with getting paid by companies to auto-install garbage. It's the same with Smart TVs, they've gotten so cheap because of all the other slimy stuff the manufacturers do, like sell your watch data, or pre-install apps.

The problem is that you do not get the option to pay off the subsidy to get a clean install.

pretty much why I switched to iphone. I used pixels before for the same reason but good luck getting your pixel warranty honored outside the united states

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Redis and Elasticsearch were both built by Israelis, and there is also Israeli code in important projects like the Linux kernel. And of course, also Israeli contributions in closed-source tech like CUDA. Avoiding all of that is a pretty tall order. But if you want to impair your systems by purifying them based on national origin of the contributors, have at it.

In fact Elasticsearch was specifically mentioned as a partner of the "Gaza Humanitarian Foundation", a fake aid org who caused many Palestinians to be killed under their watch. (Elasticsearch denied involvement when I contacted them) But to be more specific I would narrow it down to avoiding using any tech which Israel could use for surveillance, narrative control, or harm.

Opposing a specific organization for engaging in specific acts is a lot less objectionable than discriminating based on national origin.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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AppCloud is not only in India. It is on some OEM version of the phone in the US as well.

How did I know? My phone had random notifications promoting apps that I had never heard of, and I couldn't find a way to disable them. Eventually I found and removed it via adb.

These scumbags.

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Why, is privacy less valuable there?

It tells readers whether they might or might not be affected.

The reporting is not accurate. The app is found in phones sold in the US as well.

Source: me who uninstalled AppCloud via adb on a phone purchased from Best Buy.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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So a Unity owned bloatware company being used by Samsung is now somehow controversial because it was founded in Israel? Am i reading this right?

RTFA

> The presence of an Israeli-origin technology component on Samsung phones in WANA countries poses additional problems. Several nations in this region legally bar Israeli companies from operating, and in light of the ongoing Israel–Palestine conflict, the preload of an app tied to such a company becomes even more contentious.

So yes, the presence of Israeli software is a problem in many countries, and may even be illegal.

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