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USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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A quibble… The 180k is just for the states that responded, if I understand correctly. They suspect that the rate of fraud could be much higher in other states. How much high? I have no idea. I don’t think anyone does. I think they want to reboot the program to try to remove the corruption.

>> I think they want to reboot the program to try to remove the corruption. A reasonable thing to do - in principle. In practice that many people applying at once is going to cause all kinds of problems and delays for people. No big deal to inconvenience fraudsters, but delaying for people legitimately in need isn't good. Forced reapplication 5 percent at a time would be better. Or maybe thats what they're doing?

The goal may be to reduce overall spending on SNAP by starving some of the recipients.

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There are a limited number of children/families in need of this help. Feeding them is great for the economy. There is no need to spend more than that on the program, although there are other social programs that do contribute to making them into more productive individuals in the future, like education and healthcare. May I recommend leaving out the snark in the future - it gives the impression that you are a heartle…

Feeding families is a nice thing to do but economically speaking, these families are not very productive. I'm not a heartless person, but I'm also not brainless either. I should not need to nod along with a bunch of BS to be considered civil.

> I'm not a heartless person, but I'm also not brainless either.

You aren't making a strong case for either assertion. The fraud is 1% of 1.5% - that was already explained to you, and you are still trying to defend this garbage comment.

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Anyone who has ever worked on any sort of sales funnel knows: every time you ask someone to take an additional action, you lose people. Ask everybody to reapply, you'll end up with fewer people. You can say that's evidence of previous fraud, but it's largely just going to be people who didn't make it through the additional friction.

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You go through the process of actually calling, get sent through a 4-5 week rabbit hole, and then people wonder why less people make it through the funnel that has more holes than a grater.

Remember the whole "waste fraud and abuse" stuff in the beginning of the year? Yeah, there's a lot of waste in how inefficient it is signing up for this government stuff.

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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Feeding families is a nice thing to do but economically speaking, these families are not very productive. I'm not a heartless person, but I'm also not brainless either. I should not need to nod along with a bunch of BS to be considered civil.

> I'm not a heartless person, but I'm also not brainless either. You aren't making a strong case for either assertion. The fraud is 1% of 1.5% - that was already explained to you, and you are still trying to defend this garbage comment.

The comment where I started replying claimed that each dollar spent on SNAP yielded a 60x return in terms of productive economic activity... That is a literal braindead comment and I don't have to walk on eggshells to debunk such a preposterous thing.

1.5% fraud is awfully high for such a large program. You can call that take heartless if you want, but what better use could that fraudulently stolen money be put to? My one and only experience with food stamps is that I couldn't get more than like $50 monthly while I was unemployed and in dire need, and that was requiring lots of documentation. (Ghetto people and illegal immigrants are getting thousands these days, lol) Maybe someone like me back then might have gotten something worth my time if there was zero fraud. With the country facing bankruptcy every dollar counts, frankly.

Additionally, requiring people to reapply for food stamps is not going to actually disqualify any people who meet the acceptance criteria, but for a very small number of dumb ones. You either qualify or you don't. If you do then nothing changes. So, my take is actually both compassionate and absolutely right.

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> I'm not a heartless person, but I'm also not brainless either. You aren't making a strong case for either assertion. The fraud is 1% of 1.5% - that was already explained to you, and you are still trying to defend this garbage comment.

The comment where I started replying claimed that each dollar spent on SNAP yielded a 60x return in terms of productive economic activity... That is a literal braindead comment and I don't have to walk on eggshells to debunk such a preposterous thing. 1.5% fraud is awfully high for such a large program. You can call that take heartless if you want, but what better use could that fraudulently stolen money be put to? M…

> I couldn't get more than like $50 monthly while I was unemployed and in dire need, and that was requiring lots of documentation

why didn't you try fraud if you think it's so easy?

It's mindboggling to see you argue that somehow the rules that made it hard for you to get social support are somehow waived for others.

The country isn't facing bankruptcy because children are getting food. The country is facing bankruptcy because billionaires are getting so much welfare in the form of tax cuts and low wages - their employees can't afford food and rent while working full time jobs to help the leeches amass even more wealth.

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SNAP recipients (about 42 million people) receive between $6-$10 per day in food assistance. $42 to $70 per week for groceries doesn't go very far in today's economy.

I'm not sure what you're responding to in my comment, but I think it's the $3/person bit. That's taking the approximately $1 billion and dividing it over all 340+ million people in the US. I'm saying that we have to have an average of $3/person in tax revenue to cover this apparent fraud (I don't trust this administration at all so I won't say anything other than "apparent").

> $3/person in the US

That is averaging across total population (including retirees and kids?)!

It makes more sense to look at the dollars per working person (taxes)

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What would be the value of the US dollar if we didn't have a military to back it up?

You're going to have to explain your premise, because this question doesn't make sense. What would be the value of my car without the pile of tires in my garage?

Lol. You are just too ignorant to even begin having this conversation

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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I'm not sure what you're responding to in my comment, but I think it's the $3/person bit. That's taking the approximately $1 billion and dividing it over all 340+ million people in the US. I'm saying that we have to have an average of $3/person in tax revenue to cover this apparent fraud (I don't trust this administration at all so I won't say anything other than "apparent").

> $3/person in the US That is averaging across total population (including retirees and kids?)! It makes more sense to look at the dollars per working person (taxes)

Sure, that would take it to around $6-9/year/taxpayer.

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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The comment where I started replying claimed that each dollar spent on SNAP yielded a 60x return in terms of productive economic activity... That is a literal braindead comment and I don't have to walk on eggshells to debunk such a preposterous thing. 1.5% fraud is awfully high for such a large program. You can call that take heartless if you want, but what better use could that fraudulently stolen money be put to? M…

> I couldn't get more than like $50 monthly while I was unemployed and in dire need, and that was requiring lots of documentation why didn't you try fraud if you think it's so easy? It's mindboggling to see you argue that somehow the rules that made it hard for you to get social support are somehow waived for others. The country isn't facing bankruptcy because children are getting food. The country is facing bankrupt…

>why didn't you try fraud if you think it's so easy?

Because I'm not a criminal? I have too much to lose, and frankly I don't know the system. I know roughly the kinds of things that would get me paid but it's not easy for an honest person. Some of the fraud is also, no doubt, in the form of under-reporting income or not updating the records with your current household status.

>It's mindboggling to see you argue that somehow the rules that made it hard for you to get social support are somehow waived for others.

The rules apply VERY differently based on a large number of factors. Without going too far into it, I am 100% certain that being an "asylum seeker" (aka an economic migrant to those of us who know) will get you paid. I can't fake that, it's not worth it. Also, I'd have needed it 10+ years ago, not today.

>The country isn't facing bankruptcy because children are getting food. The country is facing bankruptcy because billionaires are getting so much welfare in the form of tax cuts and low wages - their employees can't afford food and rent while working full time jobs to help the leeches amass even more wealth.

The rich are getting richer but it's mostly because they know how to work the system. It's NOT because poor people are getting screwed generally, or because they deserve more money in an economic sense. Every productive industry is being outsourced or else flooded with immigrant workers, and this has gone on for decades. The rich don't HAVE enough to pay for the welfare state or higher wages for uncompetitive workers. If you want to be mad about something, be mad that our politicians allowed the country to be hollowed out.

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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> I couldn't get more than like $50 monthly while I was unemployed and in dire need, and that was requiring lots of documentation why didn't you try fraud if you think it's so easy? It's mindboggling to see you argue that somehow the rules that made it hard for you to get social support are somehow waived for others. The country isn't facing bankruptcy because children are getting food. The country is facing bankrupt…

>why didn't you try fraud if you think it's so easy? Because I'm not a criminal? I have too much to lose, and frankly I don't know the system. I know roughly the kinds of things that would get me paid but it's not easy for an honest person. Some of the fraud is also, no doubt, in the form of under-reporting income or not updating the records with your current household status. >It's mindboggling to see you argue that…

Industry doesn't get flooded - rich people flood it with immigrants so they can pay less. the politicians are bought by the rich.
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