A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

Have you read the comment I replied to? it was saying that violence was definitely the right thing to do.

> One of mine is that resistance against a violent authoratarian state, including violent resistance, is morally justified.

Without even considering the consequences? I believe that one of the criteria for morally justifying violence has to be that the consequences or using violence as better than any available non-violent alternative. I think that is a fundamental different of values.

> and arm-chair quarterbacks like yourself.

I have lived in a country where 1) multiple groups of people were using violence to do what they considered to be fighting oppression, 2) I have come pretty close to bombs they planted, and 3) the end results not only included huge numbers of deaths, but also let the government get away with things such as disappearing journalists who opposed them. I am a lot less of an arm-chair observer than I guess you are.

(And probably also drive, it always stuck us in Europe pretty weird you allow minors to drive in the USA as the car can be a very lethal tool).

Sounds very religious? Oh well then, you've clearly put some serious thought into this.

> They don’t think of humans as walking meat like a non-religious person would.

What a truly weird thing to write.

In the Americas and Europe, Christianity is the fundamentalist scourge. We all know of Israel, of fundamentalist Judaism. Middle East? You guessed it, 4 of the 5 major sects of Islam are fundamentalist. And moving further East, we see extreme caste-ism and Fundamentalist Hinduism.

China rooted out Fundamentalist Buddhism with Tibet. In 1953, 700,000 of an estimated total population of 1,250,000 were serfs - effectively enslaved peoples on the land attached to the land-lord. Usually a lama, or a priest in Buddhism. This is a case where an oppressive fundamentalist religion was rooted out, and almost a million people were freed.

Im also well aware of all the damage Christianity and Islam did through the millennia in Europe. The priesthood collectively held back science, arts, literature, and countless other things because of "demons, devils, satan". And that only got worse with Dante's Inferno, which somehow got collapsed as bible stories, but really is a fanfiction.

We also see fundamentalist christian hatred flood everywhere with more anti-woman sentiment with Witch Trials held basically everywhere. Even had executions up in Holmavik Iceland, to of which a museum was made to commemorate their witch trials. And everyone knows of Salem Massachusetts. Estimates of 30-60000 women were executed in these sham trials, and was predominantly women targeted here.

Perhaps it was too narrow to just blame christians, although the USA is a "christian nation" and what I'm most exposed against my will. No, the problem is fanaticism and fundamentalism. Its one thing to say "My religion says I cant do (action)." and a whole different thing to say "My religion says YOU cant do (action)". All the fundamentalists demand both.

You: "help", "That’s >- presumably The article: | [her parents] were so conservative they wouldn't even let Mariona wear trousers.

| "For them, it was a scandal, a stain on the family," she says. "After that, they wouldn't let me out."

| [after she ran away] They immediately reported her as an underage runaway to the authorities, and the moment Mariona was about to board a boat back to Barcelona, she was arrested.

| Mariona wasn't given any explanation [for sending her away] - she only remembers her parents' rage.

| her [second] escape was short lived. Within hours she was bundled into a car with her father and an uncle, and driven back to Madrid.

| Now aged 20, she vowed to never live with her parents again.

| "We suffered a lot too," [her father] told her when she asked him about the family decision to have her locked up in Madrid.

Her parents only care about themselves, 50 years ago and today, if you can't see that, there's something wrong with you.

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You: "My point is the story is disjointed and sad, but there is little cohesive theme"

The purpose of the article and the film, as written in the article, which you did not read:

| Reformatories were institutions where girls and young women who refused to conform to the Franco regime's Catholic values were detained - single mothers, girls with boyfriends, lesbians. Girls who'd been sexually assaulted were incarcerated, assuming the blame for their own abuse. Orphans and abandoned girls might also find themselves living behind convent walls.

| The film has contributed to a groundswell of calls for the interned women to be formally recognised under the law as victims of Spain's dictatorship.

| "Women come and tell their stories – it's like a door opened to something unknown, and that's very powerful," says Marina. "People think what happened in their own home was an isolated incident. We try to say: this history isn't individual, it was systematic."

| Her mother Mariona still doubts her memory sometimes.

| But, she says, "seeing it all reflected in the film, that gives it the weight of truth."