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Three kinds of AI products work

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Re: Three kinds of AI products work

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post #14

>> in five years time most internet users will spend a big part of their day scrolling an AI-generated feed. Yep. Looking forward to the future where you can eat plastic pop-corn while watching the AI-generated video feeds.

By Ai generated feeds do you mean a feed that is just full of AI posts or an AI generating a feed to one can scroll?

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're idiot savants. Use them for their strengths. Know their weaknesses.

So, what are their strengths then? I've fed it with a detailed, very well documented and typed API description. Asking to construct me some not too hard code snippets based on that. GPT-5 then pretend to do the right thing, but actually is creating meaningless nonsense out of it. Even after I tried to reiterate and refine my tasks. Every junior dev is waaay better.

Parsing a thousand line stack trace and telling me what the problem was. Writing regexes. Spitting out ffmpeg commands.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#55
post #6

This seems to be biased heavily towards products that look like an LLM. And yes, only a small number of those work. But that's because if your product is a thing I chat with, it immediately is in competition with ChatGPT/Claude/Grok/etc, leading to everything the article expressed. But those are hardly the only use cases for LLMs, let alone AI (whatever people nowadays mean by AI) To name some of the obvious counter-…

Perhaps I'm biased since we're in a document heavy industry, but I think the original post misses a lot of the non-tech company use cases. An insane percentage of human time is spent copy pasting things from documents.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#56
post #8

So the only AI products that work is a chat bot you can talk to, or a chat bot that can perform tasks for you. Next thing you'll tell me is that the only businesses that work are ones where you can ask somebody to do something for you in exchange for money.

The only GUI products that work are GUIs that you can interface with, or that perform tasks for you

Maybe the real value of AI, particularly LLMs, is in the interface it provides for other things, and not in the AI itself

What if AI isn't the _thing_? What if it's the thing that gets us _to_ the thing?

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#57
post #37

Well, the elephant in the room here is that the generic AI product that is being promised, i.e. "you get into your car in the morning, and on your drive to the office dictate your requirements for one of the apps that is going to guarantee your retirement, in order to find it completely done , rolled out to all the app stores and making money already once you arrive" isn't happening anytime soon, if ever, yet everyon…

Skeptics always like to toss in 'if ever' as some form of enlightenment they they are aware of some fundamental limitation of the universe only they are privy to.

Of the universe, perhaps, but humans certainly are a limiting factor here. Assuming we get this technology someday, why would one buy your software when the mere description of its functionality allows one to recreate it effortlessly?

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#58

Well, the elephant in the room here is that the generic AI product that is being promised, i.e. "you get into your car in the morning, and on your drive to the office dictate your requirements for one of the apps that is going to guarantee your retirement, in order to find it completely done , rolled out to all the app stores and making money already once you arrive" isn't happening anytime soon, if ever, yet everyon…

The other part to this is that LLMs as a technology definitely has some value as a foundation to build features/products on other than chat bots. But unclear to be whether that value can sustain current valuations. Is a better de-noisier algorithm in Adobe Lightroom worth $500 billion?

> Is a better de-noisier algorithm in Adobe Lightroom worth $500 billion?

No.

But: a tool that allows me to de-noise some images, just by uploading a few samples and describing what I want to change, just might be? Even more so, possibly, if I can also upload a desired result and let the "AI" work on things until it matches that?

But also: cool, that saves me several hours per week! Not: oh, wow, that means I can get rid of this entire department...

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#59

Author forgot about image, video, and music creation. These have all been quite successfully commercially, though maybe not as much artistically.

Recent articles seem only to mean LLMs when they reference AI. There are tons of commercial usecases for other models. Image Classification models, Image Generation models (traditionally difusion models, although some do use llm for image now), TTS models, Speach Transcription, translation models, AI driving models(autopilot), AI risk assessment for fraud, 3D structural engineering enhancement models.

With many of the good usecases of AI the end user doesn't know that ai exists and so it doesn't feel like there is AI present.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#60
post #15

A few more seem to work as well, because I've used them and found them valuable - human language translation - summarization - basic content generation - spoken language transcription

> summarization can you point me to a useful example of this? i see websites including ai-generated summaries all the time, but i've yet to see one that is actually useful and it seems like the product being sold here is simply "ai", not the summary itself - that is, companies and product managers are under pressure to implement some sort of AI, and sticking summaries in places is a way for them to fill that requirem…

I sometimes get contracts, NDAs, or terms and conditions which normally I would automatically accept because they are low stakes and I don't have time to read them. At best I would skim them.

Now I pass them through an LLM and ask them to point out interesting, unconventional, or surprising things, and to summarize the document in a few bullet points. They're quite good at this, and I am can use what I discover later in my relationship with the counterparty in various ways.

I also use it to "summarize" a large log output and point out the interesting bits that are relevant to my inquiry.

Another use case is meeting notes. I use fireflies.ai for some of my meetings and the summaries are decent.

I guess summarization might not be the right word for all the cases, but it deals with going through the hay stack to find the needle.

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