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Three kinds of AI products work

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Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#21
Chatbot is the only one I agree with (human in the loop).

Agents are essentially the chatbot, but without the human in the loop. Chatbot without human in the loop is a slop factory. Things like "multi-agent systems" are a clever ploy to get you to burn tokens and ideally justify all this madness.

Copilot/completion does not work in business terms for me. It looks like it works and it might feel like it's working in some localized technical sense, but it does not actually work on strategic timescales with complex domains in such a way that a customer would eventually be willing to pay you money for the results. The hypothesis that work/jobs will be created due to sloppy AI is proving itself out very quickly. I think "completion" tools like classic IntelliSense are still at the peak of efficiency.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#23
post #15

A few more seem to work as well, because I've used them and found them valuable - human language translation - summarization - basic content generation - spoken language transcription

I've also found LLMs helpful for breaking down user requests into a technical spec or even just clarifying requests.

I make a lot of business reporting where I work and dashboards for various things. When I get user requests for data, it's rarely clear or well thought out. They struggle with articulating their actual requirements and usually leads to a lot of back and forth emails or meetings and just delays things further.

I now paste their initial request emails into an LLM and tell it "This is what I think they are trying to accomplish, interpret their request into defined business metrics" or something similar and it does a pretty good job and saves a ton of the back and forth. I can usually then feed it a sample json response or our database schema and have it also make something quick with streamlit.

It's saved me (and the users) a ton of time and headaches of me trying to coerce more and more information from them, the LLMs have been decent enough at interpreting what they're actually asking for.

I'd love to see a day where I can hook them up with RO access to a data warehouse or something and make a self-service tool that users can prompt and it spits out a streamlit site or something similar for them.

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#24
Well, the elephant in the room here is that the generic AI product that is being promised, i.e. "you get into your car in the morning, and on your drive to the office dictate your requirements for one of the apps that is going to guarantee your retirement, in order to find it completely done, rolled out to all the app stores and making money already once you arrive" isn't happening anytime soon, if ever, yet everyone pretty much is acting like it's already there.

Can "AI" in its current form deliver value? Sure, and it absolutely does but it's more in the form of "several hours saved per FTE per week" than "several FTEs saved per week".

The way I currently frame it: I have a Claude 1/2-way-to-the-Max subscription that costs me 90 Euros a month. And it's absolutely worth it! Just today, it helped me debug and enhance my iSCSI target in new and novel ways. But is it worth double the price? Not sure yet...

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#25
post #15

A few more seem to work as well, because I've used them and found them valuable - human language translation - summarization - basic content generation - spoken language transcription

> basic content generation Dunno, man, I can spot ai-generated content a mile away, it tends to be incredibly useless so once I spot it, I’ll run in the opposite direction.

> once I spot it

Exactly; pretty sure you've seen media or read text that you thought was human created..

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

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post #15

A few more seem to work as well, because I've used them and found them valuable - human language translation - summarization - basic content generation - spoken language transcription

> summarization

can you point me to a useful example of this? i see websites including ai-generated summaries all the time, but i've yet to see one that is actually useful and it seems like the product being sold here is simply "ai", not the summary itself - that is, companies and product managers are under pressure to implement some sort of AI, and sticking summaries in places is a way for them to fill that requirement and be able to say "yes, we have AI in our product"

Re: Three kinds of AI products work

#29
post #8

So the only AI products that work is a chat bot you can talk to, or a chat bot that can perform tasks for you. Next thing you'll tell me is that the only businesses that work are ones where you can ask somebody to do something for you in exchange for money.

> Next thing you'll tell me is that the only businesses that work are ones where you can ask somebody to do something for you in exchange for money.

What other type of business is there?

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