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Re: Anthropic’s paper smells like bullshit

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I’m not even on a vpn and I’m getting an error saying the website is blocked.

One can't be a real infosec influencer unless one blocks every IP range of every hostile nation-state looking to steal valuable research and fill the website with malware

Arguably a skill issue. Which VPN worth its salt doesn't have a Sealand egress node?

Re: Anthropic’s paper smells like bullshit

#72
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Do you mean APT (Advanced persistent threat)?

It's confusing. Various vendors sell products they call ATPs [0] to defend yourself from APTs... [0] Advanced Threat Protection

relevant username :)

Re: Anthropic’s paper smells like bullshit

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> PoC || GTFO I agree so much with this. And am so sick of AI labs, who genuinely do have access to some really great engineers, putting stuff out that just doesn't pass the smell test. GPT-5's system card was pathetic. Big-talk of Microsoft doing red-teaming in ill-specified ways, entirely unreproducable. All the labs are "pro-research" but they again-and-again release whitepapers and pump headlines without producin…

Microsoft’s quantum lab also made ridiculous claims this year, with no updates or retractions after they were mocked by the community and some even claimed fraud

https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/12/microsoft_majorana_qu...

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/microsoft-dismisses...

Re: Anthropic’s paper smells like bullshit

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> PoC || GTFO I agree so much with this. And am so sick of AI labs, who genuinely do have access to some really great engineers, putting stuff out that just doesn't pass the smell test. GPT-5's system card was pathetic. Big-talk of Microsoft doing red-teaming in ill-specified ways, entirely unreproducable. All the labs are "pro-research" but they again-and-again release whitepapers and pump headlines without producin…

They're gonna say that if they explain how it was done bad people will find out how to use their models for more evil deeds. The perfect excuse.

They can still provide indicators of compromise

Re: Anthropic’s paper smells like bullshit

#75

Its seems that various LLM companies try to fear monger. Saying how dangerous it is to use them in "certain ways". With the possible intention to lobby for legislation. But what is the big game here? Is it all about creating gates to keep out other LLM companies getting market share? (Only our model is safe to use) Or how sincere are the concerncs regarding LLMs?

If fear were their marketing tactic, it sounds like it could just as easily have the opposite effect: souring the public on AI's existence altogether — perhaps making people think AI is akin to a munition that no private entity should have control over.

Re: Anthropic’s paper smells like bullshit

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Even Claude thinks the report is bullshit. https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1989636669889560897

Even your own AI model doesn't buy your propaganda Let's not pretend the output of LLMs has any meaningful value when it comes to facts, especially not for recent events.

There are obvious problems with wasting time and sending people off the wrong path, but if an LLM raises a good point, isn't it still a good point?

Re: Anthropic’s paper smells like bullshit

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‘No true Scotsman’? Also, plenty of folks with no allegiance would love to pit everyone else against each other.

Possibly, but:

- Many people in many countries now hate the U.S. and U.S. companies like Anthropic.

- In addition, leaders in the U.S. have been lobbied by OpenAI and invest in it which is a direct competitor and is well-represented on HN.

- China’s government has vested interest in its own companies’ AI ventures.

Given this, I’d hardly say that Anthropic was much of a strong U.S. puppet company, and likely has strong evidence about what happened, why also hoping to spin the PR to get people to buy their services.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that people that write inflammatory posts about Anthropic may have more than an axe to grind against AI and may be influenced by their country and its propaganda or potentially may even be working for them.

Re: Anthropic’s paper smells like bullshit

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"A report was recently published by an AI-research company called Anthropic. They are the ones who notably created Claude, an AI-assistant for coding. Personally, I don’t use it but that is besides the point."

Not sure if the author has tried any other AI-assistants for coding. People who haven't tried coding AI assistant underestimates its capabilities (though unfortunately, those who use them overestimate what they can do too). Having used Claude for some time, I find the report's assertions quite plausible.

Re: Anthropic’s paper smells like bullshit

#79
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Anthropic is not a security vendor. They're an AI research company that detected misuse of their own product. This is like "Microsoft detected people using Excel macros for malware delivery" not "Mandiant publishes APT28 threat intelligence". They aren't trying to help SOCs detect this specific campaign. It's warning an entire industry about a new attack modality. What would the IoCs even be? "Malicious Claude Code A…

Yep, agree with your assessment. As someone working in security I found the report useful as a warning of the new types of attack we will likely face.

Re: Anthropic’s paper smells like bullshit

#80

What would AGI actually mean for security? Does it heavily favor attackers or defenders? Even LLM, it may not help much in defense but it could teach attackers a lot right? What if employees gave the LLM info during their use that attackers could then get re-fed and study?

AGI favors attackers initially. Because while it can be used defensively, to preemptively scan for vulns, harden exposed software for cheaper and monitor the networks for intrusion at all times, how many companies are going to start doing that fast enough to counter the cutting edge AGI-enabled attackers probing every piece of their infra for vulns at scale?

It's like a very very big fat stack of zero days leaking to the public. Sure, they'll all get fixed eventually, and everyone will update, eventually. But until that happens, the usual suspects are going to have a field day.

It may come to favor defense in the long term. But it's AGI. If that tech lands, the "long term" may not exist.

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