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AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by guhidalg »

roman_soldier wrote: post #181

A lot of Apple products are designed to best work with other Apple products, that's part of their selling point. Would it not be easier to just buy non Apple headphones if you are not in the Apple eco system?

“Work best” is giving Apple the benefit of the doubt here. The point of standards like Bluetooth is to avoid vendor lock-in and promote interoperability. If Apple chooses to leverage the spec to produce a product that has degraded functionality when used with other vendors, that goes against the spirit of the spec and makes it worthless.

You might argue, well why did Apple choose to use Bluetooth at all if they’re not going to participate in the interoperability motive? Because initially (think early iPhones) Apple did not design wireless communication modules and benefits from buying COTS from existing vendors.

So would it be easier to just participate in vendor lock-in? Let me ask you, do you enjoy being able to fill up a car at any gas station, or charge your car at any 120V outlet? Standards usually benefit everyone.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by xandrius »

kakacik wrote: post #160
exitb wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AirPods can connect to any device and perform on par with other Bluetooth headphones. This is about availability of special features which require a dedicated driver non-Apple devices are not expected to have.

This is patently incorrect. Wife switched from iphone 13 mini to samsung s24, and airpods pro 2nd gen immediately started behaving extremely annoyingly to the point of becoming completely useless for any serious use and she just gave them away to her sister which still is on apple, although she loved them before. Literally all other earpieces work flawlessly with that phone including dirt cheap chinese stuff, apart f…

Have you tried with another device or just using a sample size of one?

I'm not a fanboy but I never use Airpods with any Apple product and I can use them properly without any hiccup with several others (windows, linux and android).

Maybe there's something up with your phone?

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by KolibriFly »

WD-42 wrote: post #20

Cool project, not cool that it needs to exist. Apple isn’t only content to leech off OSS software, they have to force the existence of more of it to workaround what they closed off.

Apple's tight grip on their ecosystem ends up generating more open source out of sheer necessity... it's kind of ironic

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by stavros »

WD-42 wrote: post #81
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swift went open source the day it was released. I don’t think Apple needs outside contributors. I think it has enough resources that it would be okay Darwin’s underlying code was BSD license and didn’t require releasing source code.

Just because the license doesn't require it doesn't mean they aren't a leech.

They are a leech exactly because they didn't release stuff when given the option. If you're forced to release stuff, that doesn't tell me anything about whether you're a leech or not. Only what you do of your own volition does.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by stavros »

andrewchambers wrote: post #69

Mark Zuckerberg explicitly called out the airpod pairing being closed as unfair in a semi recent interview, maybe he can throw some dollars that way and get it all working nicely in some meta products.

It's not up to a third party to invest into opening up Apple's purposely locked-down ecosystem.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by realusername »

maccard wrote: post #177
realusername wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I've tried the ones of my wife on my Galaxy S23 and I have frequent audio cuts, since it's the only Bluetooth device I've ever experienced that, there's some shenanigans for sure in their firmware.

I had a slightly older galaxy as my last android phone, and had this problem with the galaxy buds and with the anker ones I got to replace them. My experience with audio on android (Samsung and pixel) was overwhelmingly “this sucks” so I’m more inclined to blame android than apple here

Personally I never had any audio issues at all apart from pairing (but I also had this issue on iPhone, this is a general case of Bluetooth pairing sucks)

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by tripzilch »

isoprophlex wrote: post #105

From a bit further down the page > Bluetooth DID (Device Identification) Hook > Turns out, if you change the manufacturerid to that of Apple, you get access to several special features! I hope Apple gets slammed hard by some regulatory body. Apparently there's absolutely zero magic reasons why their airpods are unable to connect to non-Apple devices; pretend you're an iPhone and you're in. EDIT: read "unable to conne…

Especially blocking hearing aids features for people who need those should be criminal

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by naIak »

matwood wrote: post #108
isoprophlex wrote: post #105

From a bit further down the page > Bluetooth DID (Device Identification) Hook > Turns out, if you change the manufacturerid to that of Apple, you get access to several special features! I hope Apple gets slammed hard by some regulatory body. Apparently there's absolutely zero magic reasons why their airpods are unable to connect to non-Apple devices; pretend you're an iPhone and you're in. EDIT: read "unable to conne…

> Apparently there's absolutely zero magic reasons why their airpods are unable to connect to non-Apple devices I've had almost all of the versions of AirPods and AirPod Pros and they have connected to non-Apple devices just fine.

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