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> I've never earned above £0, and at this point it's too late to care. You're a sysadmin and what not -- how can that be?
Low salary for the role in my local area and not moving to a city when I still had the ability to take credit out
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From Merriam-Webster: > suburb (noun): > a: an outlying part of a city or town > b: a smaller community adjacent to or within commuting distance of a city > c: suburbs plural : the residential area on the outskirts of a city or large town I strongly suspect that if you polled random people, they would say something along the lines of b or c. There are also exurbs, whose definition further drives home the point that i…
> I strongly suspect that if you polled random people, they would say something along the lines of b or c. Yes they would. Absolutely. Which means that they clearly see it as being outskirts of a city or town, not the outskirts of an urban area. You even say so yourself. It is literally written as such. > There are also exurbs, whose definition further drives home the point that it isn’t binary: You did the same thin…
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I understand the sentiment. I grew up lower middle class but with financially illiterate and neglectful parents and had a great deal of food scarcity and other things that caused me to leave home at 17. It was really difficult. The first place I managed to get, was a room for $750 a month and I took home $900. I had no car and had to take the bus everywhere. It's true - everything just piles up when you are stretched…
Even this does a poor job of explaining being poor. The constant open loop on everything you own, terrified to discard anything even if its broken because there are components that might be useful to fix something else; the constant churn of second-hand (and cheap/disposable) things that are already close to death before they come into your possession and- crucially: the crushing weight of knowing that any financial…
From your perspective/experience, what would constitute the minimum viable branch in such a situation? E.g., if you were receiving a donation, how much would it have to exceed to get you out of that situation? Or if a one-time donation wouldn't do it, what else would be needed?
Obviously not looking for exact numbers here, just wondering about the orders of magnitude.
Even this does a poor job of explaining being poor. The constant open loop on everything you own, terrified to discard anything even if its broken because there are components that might be useful to fix something else; the constant churn of second-hand (and cheap/disposable) things that are already close to death before they come into your possession and- crucially: the crushing weight of knowing that any financial…
> its a tarpit and getting out of it without someone handing you a branch (and if you no longer have the strength to pull yourself out) then you’ll be stuck in it forever. From your perspective/experience, what would constitute the minimum viable branch in such a situation? E.g., if you were receiving a donation, how much would it have to exceed to get you out of that situation? Or if a one-time donation wouldn't do…
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> Go and work somewhere where you are provided food and board and a salary Where can I easily sign up for such a situation? And mind you I mean the average person signing up, not that `anyone` could sign up. I've looked at downgrading myself in the economy and the standard reaction is that the employers at that level dont like the idea that I know whats going on or have skills and dont want to take me on as "overqual…
Here is an example of an open mess boy position on an oil tanker: https://seacrew.net/vacancy/40763 And there's countless more similar vacancies. Food, board and $1500 per month. That's a life line out of absolute poverty for any person who is willing to take it. I know that hackers hate it, because the truth is that deep down most of you have a caste mentality and think that people who are born poor should stay poor…
It is ridiculous of you think this sort of job is the solution to poverty at any amount of scale.
> So hackers are provoked by people taking their destiny in their own hands and clawing their way out of poverty by virtue of their own honest labour.
Hackers on this board are provoked when people suggest ways of taking destiny into their own hands that removes power from the tech billionaires, they are not provoked when someone finds a job
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> This is a goal, not a claim. Whose goal? Seriously. My claim is that liberalism is contradictory because it does not contain a class analysis. It uses the language of true equality but it cannot guarantee it. >This is a complete non sequitur, and is nothing like classical liberal thought. Did you read the article? The vein here is that liberalism, the official ideology of capital, is what is used to engage with ana…
> Whose goal? Seriously. The goal of classical liberalism, obviously. > My claim is that liberalism is contradictory because it does not contain a class analysis. It uses the language of true equality but it cannot guarantee it. Classical liberalism understands the word "equality" to mean something different from what you think it means. > Did you read the article? I'm referring to your analysis, so the article is ir…
>I'm referring to your analysis, so the article is irrelevant.
You didnt read it. I said that the group of ideas that are talked about in the article belong to liberalism, the philosophy. That they are derived from philosophical liberalism, the overarching philosophy of capitalist countries.
> None of these things are myths. They are, again, ideals. You commit the is-ought fallacy, blatantly and repeatedly.
I am specifically saying that these ideals cannot be attained. The philosophy is in negation of itself. That they are unworkable and cannot be practiced while there are classes within society. Moreso that they are how the rich defend their own rule, knowing that they are unworkable ideals. Its a philosophy analogous to "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
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> its a tarpit and getting out of it without someone handing you a branch (and if you no longer have the strength to pull yourself out) then you’ll be stuck in it forever. From your perspective/experience, what would constitute the minimum viable branch in such a situation? E.g., if you were receiving a donation, how much would it have to exceed to get you out of that situation? Or if a one-time donation wouldn't do…
I think its more about having enough that you don’t spend all your cycles worrying about money; and more importantly that there’s a way to get on some kind of positive reinforcement treadmill whereby effort is rewarded financially.
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HN folks ought to watch Good Fortune ft. Keanu Reeves [0]. Still out in theaters. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKWndx83RwQ
It looks like a good movie and in looking forward to its arrival on streaming but I'm curious the relevance of it to parent comment.
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I think its more about having enough that you don’t spend all your cycles worrying about money; and more importantly that there’s a way to get on some kind of positive reinforcement treadmill whereby effort is rewarded financially.
That makes sense, but I was trying to figure out something else: if there's someone in this situation I want to help, what (at minimum) could I expect to have to do to get them out of that situation?
Otherwise you very much risk wandering in to social services, and managing this can be unfair too.
If you really want to hold me to a number, then each country has a “poverty index” of some form, if you are able to assist with a roof over someones head and provide them with as much as needed to be over the poverty line, then you’re well on your way to dragging someone out of being poor. The important caveat is one time investments (like buying a cheap car, fixing a car or getting rid of a fine) are sometimes needed and this is what separates poor from everything else: being able to invest in common sense things that are simply impossible because the money simply does not exist to do it.
Being a lifeline to those in need is the best possible thing you can be in this case, as you’re taking the “it’s not cheap being poor” mantra away.