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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Guess which building first demolished to the ground by Israel military in Gaza at the beginning of the conflict? No price of getting the right answer, it's the Watan Tower building that also hosted most of Gaza Internet Sevice Provider (ISP) companies including Paltel and Jawwal and their infrastructure. It was also a hub for several international media outlets, including the Associated Press and Al Jazeera [1],[2].…

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Agreed – and MeshCore follows a similar "security on the radio" design. With the "cell phone + companion radio" setup which is currently very popular, it would seem the correct solution is to perform encryption on the phone – using the Signal protocol – and use the companion radio only to send/receive these blobs. This has the added benefit that you can pair with _any_ arbitrary companion radio, rather than your iden…

Many radios don't have "a phone".

No, but all MeshCore radios operating in Companion Radio mode do, which is what my post is about.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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I very genuinely - in the interest of consuming a diverse set of inputs! - would love to see some sources that persuasively, with evidence, can demonstrate a vision of the ground in Gaza that runs counter to what seems absolutely obvious to everyone following the war. A world of luxury cars, high-end iPhones, relaxing afternoons spent in cafés on street corners? After two years of relentless bombing, a near-total blo…

I'm not trying to say life is great in Gaza. It's not. But it's also not what OP was painting. And by the way, the "Gaza is totally destroyed" message has been echoed throughout the war, I recall seeing drone footage a week after Oct 7th showing how destroyed Gaza is. The media is never going to show you the buildings that are ok. They will show you drone shots from every angle of everything that's not ok. They will not tell you about the sales of iPhones in Gaza either (and it is true they got a shipment of iPhones and they did sell).

Try comparing to Pokrovsk or Mariupol (to see what war looks like when indiscriminate force is used) or what the Russians did to Grozny. No iPhones or markets there. Ukraine and Russia use heavy artillery which is a statistical weapon. Israel does not. Israel mostly uses precision weapons.

Found at random:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQ4AaZ0jBfL/

"From Palestine Junction in Al-Rimal neighborhood – Gaza Life is gradually returning to the markets despite the destruction and high prices. A scene that embodies the resilience of the people and their determination to keep going despite everything."

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGTYwglg0Mu/%3Fhl%3Den&ved=2a...

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQHZqjciDva/

https://x.com/imshin/status/1989258307152855293

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Has Sudan also been going on 70 years with the help of the Brits and active funding of the Americans, then? Have hundreds of thousands died in any country and even more expelled (ethnically cleansed) in the world since 1948 apart from Palestine? No? Then your whataboutism is childish and your deflection is obvious.

> Have hundreds of thousands died in any country and even more expelled (ethnically cleansed) in the world since 1948 apart from Palestine? What? Seriously?! It isn’t even in the top ten! The partition of India. Zanzibar. Nigeria. The Khmer Rouge. The Cultural Revolution. The invasion and annexation of Tibet. Indonesia. Bangladesh. Rwanda. Idi Amin. The Kurds. Srebrenica. Biafra. The Khmer Rouge. Guetemala. The Cultu…

> What? Seriously?! It isn’t even in the top ten!

You are being disingenuous. You know what the guy meant. But then again what can you expect from a hindu zionist.

> The partition of India. Zanzibar. Nigeria. The Khmer Rouge. The Cultural Revolution. The invasion and annexation of Tibet. Indonesia. Bangladesh. Rwanda. Idi Amin. The Kurds. Srebrenica. Biafra. The Khmer Rouge. Guetemala. The Cultural Revolution. The invasion and annexation of Tibet. Guatemala. Indonesia. Rwanda. Uganda. The Kurds. Srebrenica.

You repeated a bunch of them. Regardless, which of these is an example of 80% of the population being ethnically cleansed and being displaced by european settlers?

> This sort of extremist ignorant activism hurts the people one claims to be protecting, because once exaggeration is shown it’s easier to dismiss the whole thing.

It's only easy to dismiss when you intentionally misunderstand the point of the comment. Obviousy there has been more deaths in countries with larger populations. But which experienced the ethnical cleansing and displacement like palestine?

That you think the "invasion and annexation" of Tibet is worse than what's happening in palestine shows your true colors.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Guess which building first demolished to the ground by Israel military in Gaza at the beginning of the conflict? No price of getting the right answer, it's the Watan Tower building that also hosted most of Gaza Internet Sevice Provider (ISP) companies including Paltel and Jawwal and their infrastructure. It was also a hub for several international media outlets, including the Associated Press and Al Jazeera [1],[2].…

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If Israel improved its conduct by a factor of 1000, then maybe it could be considered "a war mongering nation".

Instead, it's going down in history as a relatively-short-lived (<100 years) exercise in savagery.

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Even in Ukraine it's quite possible to code. I worked at Google with people who stayed in Ukraine after Russia started the war. I can't say they were unaffected - there was stuff like meetings interrupted by missile alerts - but they managed to do normal work despite the ongoing war.

40% of the bombing victims in Gaza are under 10 years old https://msf.org.uk/article/gaza-msf-survey-shows-almost-half... Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative, to understand the condition under which Palestinians are surviving.

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Unfortunately the reality in Gaza is way more severe than the reality in Ukraine in nearly every conceivable metric: deaths, famine, buildings destroyed, farms, schools, hospitals, journalists killed, shortages (by blockade) of essential goods... And Ukraine is a massive war with over a million casualties, so imagine that.

Just the fact that there is now a whole generation of children who have missed over two years of school. One child missing two years of school is already a tragedy. A whole generation missing school, starving, under constant risk of violence and death, this is the first thing I think of when I think of Gaza. I'm not even a Palestine "supporter" but I will not longer support the state of Israel for any reason, even if…

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The conversation is about trying to do everyday activities inside of a combat zone. The international community's opinion about the war is, I should think this is obvious, not the relevant factor. It doesn't matter what people think of the war, only that _there is war_. I think it's safe to say that Ukraine and Gaza are both plenty distracting places to work. That said, even though it's totally off-topic, I can't hel…

It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened, or you just don't care they did. Average Westerner knowledge of Western history, I understand. Yes, they have consistently toppled governments, meddled in the affairs of other countries, and enabled and funded colonalism and imperialism wherever they went. Although the good news i…

Almost as convenient as your suggestion that the only relevant history started in 1948.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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I’m not interested in condemning Israel’s actions. What radicalised me was inadvertently catching ten seconds of the killings at that Israeli dance music festival / bush doof. Palestinians could put Hamas down in an afternoon, if they wanted to. Whatever it takes.

Lol. This same mentality is professed by those you wish to condemn. You reveal yourself to be no better than the monsters you seek to destroy. You're willing to kill civilian women and children and men in order to do it. You're willing to blame a people for the actions of a terrorist government that Israel/Netanyahu themselves propped up, something you didn't even bother to deny. You're an absolute joke. Your consent…

How do you prove your understanding of the situation isn’t manufactured?

Is it because Greta Thunberg is on your side? I could understand that, she’s quite pretty.

Is it your manufactured guilt over something you didn’t do, to people that didn’t have jt happen to them?

Or is it because you are what happens when children are raised by three generations of fatherless homes?

Ask yourself, what would happen if Israel said it would lay down its arms and fight no longer, vs. what would happen if Palestinians did the same.

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