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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by immibis »

vintermann wrote: post #238
immibis wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I downvoted it because it's commonly said by people who do bad things, as a red herring. "People from your subreddit keep killing people" "Well at least we're not infected by the woke mind virus"/"You can't accuse us of that just because we don't agree with the hivemind"/etc. It's no different from "but her emails" etc.

If there was one thing I could make people understand: Even though bad people are saying it, doesn't mean it isn't true. Social media false flag tactics happen. People from all over all sorts of political spectrums tell the same story. The sites tell the same story. If you decide to blindly dismiss claims of abuse because you don't like the ones claiming to be abused, you create a comfy little space for abuse to happ…

> Even though bad people are saying it, doesn't mean it isn't true.

I am a human being and therefore have a built-in Bayesian filter for spam and bullshit. Should I also read Nigerian prince emails, just in case there's a real Nigerian prince who needs my help?

In case you are a real Nigerian prince who needs my help, it's up to you not to phrase it identically to a spam email.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by abnercoimbre »

econ wrote: post #212
atomicfiredoll wrote: post #2

I don't know anything about Adguard, but good on the team for doing the extra digging instead of just going along with the claim. Even better that they're sharing what they've found with everyone else.

Their DNS is great. Removing websites without a good reason would quickly ruin everything for them.

I'm not well-versed in this: is AdGuard roughly equivalent to Pi-hole?

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by gruez »

hobs wrote: post #239
gruez wrote: post #145

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>with the evidence from the emails we can upgrade it to the much more direct fact "President Trump is a pedophile who liked to rape little girls" A bunch of vaguely worded emails is enough to summarily conclude that someone is a criminal? I'm glad you're not a judge.

And pictures and letters and cohabitation and friendship and mutual business arrangements and the list goes on. The court of public opinion is not an actual court.

>And pictures and letters and cohabitation and friendship and mutual business arrangements and the list goes on

At best that proves he's affiliated/associated with a convicted pedophile. Going from that to "we can upgrade it to the much more direct fact "President Trump is a pedophile who liked to rape little girls" is a massive leap. There's plenty of other famous people who turned out to be sexual offenders, but we don't go around accusing their entire circle of being "pedophile who liked to rape little girls".

>The court of public opinion is not an actual court.

Good. The court of public opinion has shown itself to be massively partisan. People's evidentiary standards change on a whim depending on how much they previously like/hate the person. By invoking the "court of public opinion" excuse, you're basically admitting that there's weak evidence for the allegations, so you need a lower bar to "convict" someone.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by amiga386 »

bee_rider wrote: post #233
amiga386 wrote: post #182

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False flag attacks are a thing that wannabe censors do. They post CSAM to some service/site, then immediately report it to every possible contact of the site's hosting provider, DNS provider, DDoS protection provider, etc. But not the site itself. Before they do that, they spend weeks probing the site's moderation response, to work out the best time to evade detection on the site itself. Then they do it again, and ag…

I don’t understand this attack, are these reports anonymous or something? In order to pull off this attack the attacker would have to have a collection of CSAM to upload. What if the site being attacked logged the uploader’s IP and went above-and-beyond complying with authorities and provided the source of the upload. Well, I guess some people doing this sort of thing would try to hide their identity while doing the…

People who have money to rent DDoS services from criminals also have money to rent VPNs that use US residential IP addresses (usually from home computers infected with malware under the control of criminals)

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by Dilettante_ »

harvey9 wrote: post #243
Dilettante_ wrote: post #164

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[Germany's ears perk up]

I'm addressing an individual, not a state.

[Germans' ears perk up], then. What I'm saying is by that logic, no german needs to uphold their historical responsibility/debt.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by codedokode »

simion314 wrote: post #247
PinkSheep wrote: post #158

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You need a new edition of the playbook. They have been renamed 30 years ago. The gov shutdown is hitting real hard, isn't it? /s

I am not from USA, I mentioned facts you can check, so you can judge the guys action or you be "navie" and trust his words. So for actuaal people that want the truth the badstatd was caiming in the day of Romanian election that France asked him to push pro EU propaganda in Telegram and he the big hero refussed. For some reason he only had the ability to tell the truth about his heroism in the day of the elections and…

To be fair, there wasn't much evidence for removing a popular candidate, except for a "report" anyone could print in an hour. It turns out Europe is not much different from Russia in methods to get the wanted result.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by e2le »

gruez wrote: post #145
immibis wrote: post #98

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>with the evidence from the emails we can upgrade it to the much more direct fact "President Trump is a pedophile who liked to rape little girls" A bunch of vaguely worded emails is enough to summarily conclude that someone is a criminal? I'm glad you're not a judge.

At the very least it demonstrates that he has lied about his connection to Epstein and that Maxwell is also similarly lying.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by danek_szy »

abnercoimbre wrote: post #252
econ wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their DNS is great. Removing websites without a good reason would quickly ruin everything for them.

I'm not well-versed in this: is AdGuard roughly equivalent to Pi-hole?

Their self-hosted product (AdGuard Home) is. ;)
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