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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by fragmede »

AstralStorm wrote: post #193

How can you even sue without any legal identity? This website and an organisation does not happen to have any. Might as well be some shell company in the Carribeans with no legal standing in France. It's not even good enough for public prosecution, as the tip would then go through French services. This law is completely backwards, and worse than a SLAPP. If you cannot respond to a report in any way, it should be null…

US courts let you sue objects under "in rem" jurisdiction.

In rem = the thing is the defendant. You're not suing a person, and you're asking the court to decide who owns or controls a specific property.

The quintessential case is United States v. $124,700

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._$124,700_in_U...

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by cluckindan »

betaby wrote: post #104
cluckindan wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the entire internet, these developments are just about the WWW.

> these developments are just about the WWW. The article is literally about DNS.

And? It is literally a service for looking up Internet Protocol addresses.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by vintermann »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #174
txrx0000 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have plausible deniability, but the fact of the matter is: this also erases evidence of past crimes from public records. If bad things already happened then we should keep the evidence that they happened. The root problem of CSAM is child trafficking and abuse in physical space. But for whatever reason enforcement efforts seem to be more focused on censoring and deleting the images rather than on curbing the act…

A middle ground solution is for the admins to block the page with a message like "this page is unavailable due to reports of illegal content. if you work for a law enforcement agency and are considering using this as evidence, please contact us" for the preservation aspect. The meta conspiracy theory in all of this would be that this is an actual CSAM producer trying to take down evidence that could be used against t…

It's very likely that it's someone trying to take down evidence, and since they have CSAM to upload, they would be in deep legal trouble themselves if they were identified.

It is however not at all clear the evidence they want scrubbed from the internet is CSAM-related. It's just the go-to tool for giving a site trouble for some attackers.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by beefnugs »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #84
Havoc wrote: post #46

The amount of forces seemingly actively trying to kill the internet of old is disconcerting. Chat control, DNS as arbiter of whats allowed, walled gardens etc.

The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. The international network will fracture into multiple national networks with heavy filtering at the borders. I've been making this prediction for years now. Words can hardly capture the sadness I feel when I see evidence of its slow realization. I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one…

Don't despair boys and girls, remember there is always a deeper layer. All this AI slop? Well the powers wont even be suspicious of steganography until there are many terabytes per second of nonsense pictures moving in all directions

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by [deleted] »

fragmede wrote: post #221
AstralStorm wrote: post #193

How can you even sue without any legal identity? This website and an organisation does not happen to have any. Might as well be some shell company in the Carribeans with no legal standing in France. It's not even good enough for public prosecution, as the tip would then go through French services. This law is completely backwards, and worse than a SLAPP. If you cannot respond to a report in any way, it should be null…

US courts let you sue objects under "in rem" jurisdiction. In rem = the thing is the defendant. You're not suing a person, and you're asking the court to decide who owns or controls a specific property. The quintessential case is United States v. $124,700 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._$124,700_in_U...

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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by vintermann »

shkkmo wrote: post #200
_yb2s wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is specifically an article about an investigation by the FBI- US federal agents.

The article mentions the FBI investigation but is not about that. This article is about a pressure campaign, the letter Web Abuse Association Defense sent to adguard making threats under french law and adguard's investigation in response to that letter.

A French organization with an English name, writing in English? J'en doute.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by meowface »

ricardobeat wrote: post #144
rgj wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But apparently there was actual CSAM there, since the article mentioned that archive.is removed it within a few hours. So the claim was real. Why did they make up such a story around it?

Since archive.is doesn’t scan the internet and only archives content on demand, those might as well have been planted exactly for this purpose - which would put another crime onto the accuser.

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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by Dilettante_ »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #207
Dilettante_ wrote: post #196

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I don't understand but I am interested, would you give a bit more explanation?

Sure! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realization_(probability)

Thank you, but I seem terribly out of my depth for that level of discussion.

If Claude helped me understand correctly, the error is on me for taking determinism as a base assumption and rejecting the assumption of "randomness" at a universal level? Is this something I would need to buff up on the quantum stuff to come around on?

All I have in my head is Laplace's demon, all I've ever observed is deterministic events: If you flip the coin the same way everytime, it'll come up the same way everytime?

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by CPLX »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #184
CPLX wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. > I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one of the wonders of humanity. I'm old enough to have been around for the whole thing. I used to kind of share this view, but I don't anymore. I think it's impossible to reconcile this point of view with the obvious observation that huge aspect…

We don't disagree. I acknowledge its failure. I am merely mourning the loss. We could debate the reasons for it all day, it won't change a thing... I'm becoming increasingly elitist. Things change profoundly for the worse every time the masses are allowed into our spaces. People have money which attracts corporations which corrupt and destroy everything, thereby eventually attracting governments as well. Whatever tec…

The problem with this idea is that it's the elite that caused the problem.

It's the nerds that turned out to be sociopathic predators.

I say this with love - I was one, but maybe this isn't the group that was best suited to decide how society is structured.

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