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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by throaway1975 »

CPLX wrote: post #143
matheusmoreira wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. The international network will fracture into multiple national networks with heavy filtering at the borders. I've been making this prediction for years now. Words can hardly capture the sadness I feel when I see evidence of its slow realization. I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one…

> The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. > I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one of the wonders of humanity. I'm old enough to have been around for the whole thing. I used to kind of share this view, but I don't anymore. I think it's impossible to reconcile this point of view with the obvious observation that huge aspect…

The 90s were a utopian time. I am happy I got to see them, and the early internet. But as a grown-up millennial, I look at my less-connected friends, an I can't help but think id have been better off that way.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by immibis »

throaway1975 wrote: post #166
matheusmoreira wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've given up on trying to change the world. > What will the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day. That's the problem. This "us" you're referring to. People. They're the problem. They have no principles. They stand for nothing. They think they do, but the reality is their principles are easily compromised. They are highly susceptible to manipulation by way of emotion. Powerful emotions like ter…

Attitudes like yours are ones that "they" want us to adopt. Chat Control just got defeated by people power TWICE. Never ever think that you have no power. Why else would they try to control you?

Chat Control getting voted against had nothing to do with people power. It was always going to be the outcome, as long as we're lucky enough to have MEPs who are wiser than MECs. Social media outage had nothing to do with it - it was entirely up to who sits in the European Parliament.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by Dilettante_ »

alansammarone wrote: post #105
matheusmoreira wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet will be destroyed as countries the world over seek to impose all of their silly and incompatible laws on it. The international network will fracture into multiple national networks with heavy filtering at the borders. I've been making this prediction for years now. Words can hardly capture the sadness I feel when I see evidence of its slow realization. I'm happy to have known the true internet. Truly one…

I share your feelings - both the sadness about the path we seem to be going down and the wonder about what the Internet used to be. I do believe, however, that the future does not "exist" in any real sense, but is constructed - every day, little by little, by each and every one of us. What the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day. Put another way - this is a rhetorical question - can do we do a…

  I do believe, however, that the future does not "exist" in any real sense
The future is an immediate result of the present, which is an immediate result of the past. The laws of physics dictate this with no wiggle room. It's complicated and functionally impossible to predict with any certainty, but the future is certain. It is as fixed as the past, and the present that arises from it.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

txrx0000 wrote: post #96
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #6

Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…

They have plausible deniability, but the fact of the matter is: this also erases evidence of past crimes from public records. If bad things already happened then we should keep the evidence that they happened. The root problem of CSAM is child trafficking and abuse in physical space. But for whatever reason enforcement efforts seem to be more focused on censoring and deleting the images rather than on curbing the act…

A middle ground solution is for the admins to block the page with a message like "this page is unavailable due to reports of illegal content. if you work for a law enforcement agency and are considering using this as evidence, please contact us" for the preservation aspect.

The meta conspiracy theory in all of this would be that this is an actual CSAM producer trying to take down evidence that could be used against them.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by superkuh »

BoppreH wrote: post #59

So they're pressuring a DNS resolver to block a specific website? That seems like an incredibly slippery slope. What stops them from forcing Chrome to block the website, or LetsEncrypt to not issue any more certificates for the domain, or Microsoft and Apple to add them to their firewalls? Hell, can they go after the infrastructure software developers and say, force nginx to add a check and refuse to serve the domain…

They've almost realized where to put the pressure. Almost. Once these kinds of attackers realize the real chokepoint of the modern web: certificate authorities for HTTPS certs, we're doomed. Everyone centralizes in the handful of companies and those companies decide every ~90 days which websites are visitable. Because browsers now come pre-configured to not allow visiting HTTP websites and people don't do HTTP+HTTPS anymore. Just HTTP-only.

The DNS resolver attacks are but pin pricks compared to the coming centralized control via CAs.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

ericfr11 wrote: post #159
matheusmoreira wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've given up on trying to change the world. > What will the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day. That's the problem. This "us" you're referring to. People. They're the problem. They have no principles. They stand for nothing. They think they do, but the reality is their principles are easily compromised. They are highly susceptible to manipulation by way of emotion. Powerful emotions like ter…

Your path seems to be one towards chaos and anarchy. You are part of the people you are referring to, if I may say so.

Well, enjoy your order and rule of law then - but pray that the rule of law doesn't cross into what even you would deem unthinkable.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by throaway1975 »

immibis wrote: post #172
throaway1975 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attitudes like yours are ones that "they" want us to adopt. Chat Control just got defeated by people power TWICE. Never ever think that you have no power. Why else would they try to control you?

Chat Control getting voted against had nothing to do with people power. It was always going to be the outcome, as long as we're lucky enough to have MEPs who are wiser than MECs. Social media outage had nothing to do with it - it was entirely up to who sits in the European Parliament.

Well they specifically called out the website set up for the mass emailing campaign as the (a) reason why they couldn't ignore the outrage. Never mentioned anything about social media, but the idea that parliamentary officials are immune to people power is just naive. They do not exist in a vacuum.

https://www.politico.eu/article/one-man-spam-campaign-ravage...

Id also seriously question your assertion that it was inevitable that CC would be voted down, given how much support it has among EU membership.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

Dilettante_ wrote: post #173
alansammarone wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share your feelings - both the sadness about the path we seem to be going down and the wonder about what the Internet used to be. I do believe, however, that the future does not "exist" in any real sense, but is constructed - every day, little by little, by each and every one of us. What the world will be like in the future is decided by us every day. Put another way - this is a rhetorical question - can do we do a…

I do believe, however, that the future does not "exist" in any real sense The future is an immediate result of the present, which is an immediate result of the past. The laws of physics dictate this with no wiggle room. It's complicated and functionally impossible to predict with any certainty, but the future is certain. It is as fixed as the past, and the present that arises from it.

You are mistaking a realization of a random process for the random process itself.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by madeforhnyo »

pards wrote: post #49
codedokode wrote: post #25

I used the site several times to archive some page or send it to someone who cannot access the site directly. I never archived anything illegal and never stumbled upon illegal things there. So I don't know why they want to arrest the owner. Also the site is pretty advanced, it can handle complicated sites and even social networks. > But because it can also be used to bypass paywalls How? Does the site pay for subscri…

>> But because it can also be used to bypass paywalls > How? Does the site pay for subscription for every newspaper? Someone with a subscription logs into the site, then archives it. Archive.is uses the current user's session and can therefore see the paywalled content.

I believe news sites let crawlers access the full articles for a short period of time, so that they appear in search results. Archive.is crawls during that short window.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by SoftTalker »

ngriffiths wrote: post #162

> a private company shouldn’t have to decide what counts as “illegal” content under threat of legal action. Immediately reminded me of patio11's amazing write up[1] of debanking, featuring banks being deputized as law enforcement for financial crimes (which is completely non controversial), and even used as a convenient tool to regulate other industries that the white house didn't like (kinda controversial). [1]: htt…

Typically long-winded patio11 article that basically says: Banks are suspicious of crypto.
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