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Re: 6B Miles Driven

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they have eyes and ears and have seen the footage.

You realize that almost every politician has done a similar type of pose right? So if there’s a picture or a video of your favorite politician doing that pose you’re automatically going to assume they are Nazi? Just a minimal knowledge of Musk‘s ties to Israel, and friendships with Netanyahu, Jared Kushner, and others you should realize that there’s no way he’s a Nazi or antisemitic. If anything, he is highly racist…

Yes, if I see a video (not a still) of someone doing a nazi salute two times in a row, I'm gonna assume they're a nazi. Absolutey no disagreements with you there.

Doubly so if they also happen to tune into an AfD and a Tommy Robinson rally.

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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So Tesla is charging $8000 to activate full safety software features in their vehicles?

How is this not way more controversial than having to pay extra to activate features like heated steering wheels in other brands?

Re: 6B Miles Driven

#24
I have a 2018 Model 3 with basic autopilot. I have an FSD question. Does FSD have different driving behaviors from basic autopilot? I'm not saying "capabilities"; obviously it has more capabilities, but I mean the actual driving choices.

I get that FSD (maybe) has/requires better hardware than my car. But what I hate about autopilot is all around basic driving:

* Lane centering. It's extremely aggressive about lane centering, if you're in the right lane and an onramp joins from the right, the car aggressively drives to the right as soon as it perceives that the lane is wider.

* Throttle/brake behavior. It waits too long to brake (despite having radar in my car, which can supposedly "see" more than one car ahead), and when it does apply the brakes it doesn't do so smoothly. It tips in somewhat aggressively, and you can feel the discrete steps in brake force application change. Ditto for acceleration when the traffic in front of me moves.

There's no reason to think that any of this has anything to do with compute power, it all seems to be programming decisions that have been made for whatever reasons, so I can't see why FSD would be different.

And yet, if FSD drives like this, I don't get how anyone can think it's good? On the other hand, I've also heard people say they think autopilot is good, which it's clearly not, so it makes me judge their driving skill rather than the different models. But perhaps there's some matrix of hardware revisions and software/decision models out there that I'm unaware of, that explains differences in driving behavior, if they exist?

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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post #22

Good progress, but important to keep in mind that the number of unsupervised miles is zero.

I think they made one delivery they claimed was unsupervised. It might have had lead cars and chase cars like early Waymo, and a custom build with HD mapping, I'm not sure.

Re: 6B Miles Driven

#26

So Tesla is charging $8000 to activate full safety software features in their vehicles? How is this not way more controversial than having to pay extra to activate features like heated steering wheels in other brands?

No, only FSD is $8000. All of the safety features are free in every Tesla.

Re: 6B Miles Driven

#27

So Tesla is charging $8000 to activate full safety software features in their vehicles? How is this not way more controversial than having to pay extra to activate features like heated steering wheels in other brands?

No, only FSD is $8000. All of the safety features are free in every Tesla.

Didn't you read the link? According to Tesla FSD is a safety feature

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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post #24

I have a 2018 Model 3 with basic autopilot. I have an FSD question. Does FSD have different driving behaviors from basic autopilot? I'm not saying "capabilities"; obviously it has more capabilities, but I mean the actual driving choices. I get that FSD (maybe) has/requires better hardware than my car. But what I hate about autopilot is all around basic driving: * Lane centering. It's extremely aggressive about lane c…

FSD doesn't drive like that. It's a completely different software stack, not just Autopilot with extra capabilities.

Re: 6B Miles Driven

#29

So Tesla is charging $8000 to activate full safety software features in their vehicles? How is this not way more controversial than having to pay extra to activate features like heated steering wheels in other brands?

No, only FSD is $8000. All of the safety features are free in every Tesla.

“Free” in what sense? After paying for a luxury product at premium prices, you’re getting exactly what you’re paying for, right?

Re: 6B Miles Driven

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post #24

I have a 2018 Model 3 with basic autopilot. I have an FSD question. Does FSD have different driving behaviors from basic autopilot? I'm not saying "capabilities"; obviously it has more capabilities, but I mean the actual driving choices. I get that FSD (maybe) has/requires better hardware than my car. But what I hate about autopilot is all around basic driving: * Lane centering. It's extremely aggressive about lane c…

All behaviors I've observed with FSD in my 2018 model 3.

It's possible v14 is better. v12 was certainly better than v11 in all those regards. But there are still issues with the car making dumb lane choices in v12.

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