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Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by larusso »

jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

Not to be too snarky but I really detest teams. We use Slack in our company but the mothership is all teams. Every time I have to use it I spit in anger. It’s the sum of all these weird usability issues etc. so my personal recommendation would be to always say it doesn’t work ^^

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by cycomanic »

EbNar wrote: post #100
jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

Teams is literally the worst program I have ever used. Whoever designed that interface should be publicly shamed.

As bad as teams is, there is absolutely no comparison to the crap that is slack. Just a number of things I regularly encounter: 1. Slack selecting speakers instead of headphones for call, even though I've used the headphones just before. 2. Calls ringing on my mobile that has been quietly sitting on the desk, instead of on the desktop that I've been typing on. 3. Mobile and desktop client being completely out of sync, it sometimes takes several minutes for messages typed on the mobile to show up on the desktop or vice versa. 4. I always have to select which screen to share twice before it shares (non of the other programs have this issue) 5. Don't get me started on the worst search ever, it's almost always easier to scroll than to search if it wasn't for: 6. Whoever thought it was a good idea that we should everything older than 15 messages or so back from the server. So instead of just quickly scrolling up it becomes an excercise of wading through molasses.

7. The absolute brain dead formatting, which makes typing equations or e.g. python exponents super annoying (no I didn't want to have this text bold)

I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of teams either, but it's absolutely mind boggling how slack got to such a dominant position in this space

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by bartread »

EbNar wrote: post #100
jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

Teams is literally the worst program I have ever used. Whoever designed that interface should be publicly shamed.

Spoken like someone who has never used Deltek Maconomy. Teams is really bad but not Deltek Maconomy bad. Nothing else I’ve used is.

That being said, in the last job where I used it regularly, Teams was responsible for 100% of the blue screens I regularly experienced. Dell laptop and some quirk of interaction between Teams video calls, NVidia graphics drivers, and WiFi drivers than no update ever fixed. Very frustrating.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by javcasas »

Too wrote: post #95
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The web-based one works perfectly on Linux. If anything it's better than the native Windows app. Office 365 actually works better in Firefox in Linux than any other browser in Windows. It's like they've kind of given up on the whole OS thing, and have just decided to go with Linux.

If by perfect you mean that you can’t have two chats open next to each other and toggling between chats is slow as molasses then yes.

It also doesn't use 1.5 CPU cores non-stop.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

Too wrote: post #95
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The web-based one works perfectly on Linux. If anything it's better than the native Windows app. Office 365 actually works better in Firefox in Linux than any other browser in Windows. It's like they've kind of given up on the whole OS thing, and have just decided to go with Linux.

If by perfect you mean that you can’t have two chats open next to each other and toggling between chats is slow as molasses then yes.

Are you running it on a particularly potatoey PC?

On my fairly ancient Core i7-8700 I can have a video call open in one screen and be editing in Resolve on another.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by twelvedogs »

jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

microsoft couldn't do it in 95 either

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by dijit »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #115
Too wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by perfect you mean that you can’t have two chats open next to each other and toggling between chats is slow as molasses then yes.

Are you running it on a particularly potatoey PC? On my fairly ancient Core i7-8700 I can have a video call open in one screen and be editing in Resolve on another.

There's something weird going on honestly.

On an i9-14900K, arguably one of the fastest CPUs in the previous few years (and excusing their design defect that causes them to die); Teams is significantly slower than on the Quallcom Snapdragon X-Elite, or my Macbook.

It seems to perform the same as it would on an i9 platform as it does on i5 laptop's of the same generation (in terms of input latency and drawing to the screen etc;)

I know it's apples/oranges, that ARM CPUs are substantially different than x86 ones, but the fact that it seems to be the same on significantly lower clocked (and lower consumptive) chips indicate to me that something very bizarre is happening when it comes to Teams.

ARM chips seem to be significantly better for electron applications, but something unique exists within Teams here.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by dijit »

cycomanic wrote: post #112
EbNar wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams is literally the worst program I have ever used. Whoever designed that interface should be publicly shamed.

As bad as teams is, there is absolutely no comparison to the crap that is slack. Just a number of things I regularly encounter: 1. Slack selecting speakers instead of headphones for call, even though I've used the headphones just before. 2. Calls ringing on my mobile that has been quietly sitting on the desk, instead of on the desktop that I've been typing on. 3. Mobile and desktop client being completely out of sync…

Not a fan of slack.

Teams is unjustifiably worse than slack.

The only way you can hold this opinion is if you haven't been forced to use Teams.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by tomsmeding »

dijit wrote: post #117
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you running it on a particularly potatoey PC? On my fairly ancient Core i7-8700 I can have a video call open in one screen and be editing in Resolve on another.

There's something weird going on honestly. On an i9-14900K, arguably one of the fastest CPUs in the previous few years (and excusing their design defect that causes them to die); Teams is significantly slower than on the Quallcom Snapdragon X-Elite, or my Macbook. It seems to perform the same as it would on an i9 platform as it does on i5 laptop's of the same generation (in terms of input latency and drawing to the s…

Hypothesis: that Qualcomm and that Macbook have higher memory bandwidth than your i9 system. This is dependent on your memory and your mainboard, not so much on the CPU itself. Perhaps Teams just uses way too much memory, and actually uses it all the time.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by GuestFAUniverse »

larusso wrote: post #111
jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

Not to be too snarky but I really detest teams. We use Slack in our company but the mothership is all teams. Every time I have to use it I spit in anger. It’s the sum of all these weird usability issues etc. so my personal recommendation would be to always say it doesn’t work ^^

Every slack I had to join professionally, the most active channel was the channel for non-work or not project related stuff. So, I had to use it, ask questions, point out non-working services, while watching the same person's responsibile for the disfunct services share trivia about their favorite animes, sci-fi or whatever crap of the day seemed more important.

Thus, I detest communities having slack as a first point of contact.

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