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Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by alentred »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #82
Gigachad wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams doesn't work much better on Mac. It's easily the worst program I have to use.

Haha, a few years back my wife got an M1 Air. It was amazing, for her regular work she charged it twice a week and was on battery almost always. Then one day the company switched from zoom to teams. She now had to be plugged in constantly.

Same experience, Mac and iPhone. What is also amazing is how much collateral damage it creates: the Microsoft Virtual Audio devices that it switches my macOS to, the calls that cannot be ended on my iPhone when the app hangs, etc. They somehow succeed breaking all the stuff around to.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by jxdxbx »

I have tried and failed to use the Mac Teams app repeatedly. I will try to join a meeting I’ve been invited to, but there is some conflict between my personal and word Microsoft accounts that causes it to flip out. Only the web app reliably lets me actually join a meeting.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by klardotsh »

EbNar wrote: post #100
jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

Teams is literally the worst program I have ever used. Whoever designed that interface should be publicly shamed.

Teams is one of the only exceptions I can think of to my "blame the system, not the developer" rule with regards to corporate software.

No, in Teams' case, they somehow managed to take a trivial problem that was solved quite well 30-40-odd years ago (albeit in a slightly different skin - IRC) and completely botch it in every way imaginable, and then a few more ways not even the most creative of QA engineer could have possibly imagined a team messing up such a basic problem set.

It's finally a little bit less bad than it was 2-3 years ago, so the trend line is slightly angling upwards out of hell now, where the bar has been, but that's really not saying much.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by figmert »

mrweasel wrote: post #85
wizzledonker wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After a cursory glance at commit messages, looks like most of it. Like all AI co-authored code it’s a matter of time before this becomes unmaintainable and abandoned.

I'm deeply fascinated that people can make this work at all. Just yesterday I had a fight with an AI regarding some Python code, the stupid thing wouldn't admit it didn't know how to use something and just kept spitting out the same lines of broken code. Then here is someone writing an entire functional Teams client with Claude.

Usually in those scenarios you stop and do the research yourself and correct it. You don't keep asking it. Also starting new conversations often help.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by necovek »

Gigachad wrote: post #78
jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

Teams doesn't work much better on Mac. It's easily the worst program I have to use.

I thought it was due to Mac not being their native platform, and then I tried Windows, and it's as crappy there as it is on a Mac.

Microsoft does not do web-based and distributed end-user software well. All sorts of organizational dysfunction leaks in the implementation (it's obvious one team was in charge of "grouping", and another is in charge of "channels", and no connection to any of the Teams calls for a group which and god-forbid Outlook). They are in dire need of some "inverse Conway maneuvering", but with a behemoth like MS, it's probably a mindset shift that's impossible to get through for any of the projects they are building today.

If at least they were still focused on doing good desktop software, I'd give them a pass, but they are increasingly introducing the same problems in the desktop software they build too.

However, I wonder even more what's wrong with my organization to keep using such subpar tools for years now :(

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by nolok »

EbNar wrote: post #100
jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

Teams is literally the worst program I have ever used. Whoever designed that interface should be publicly shamed.

Like many I use a variety on those chat programs, Zulip for my companies, Slack for some customers, good old IRC for some open source things, Discord for gaming, ... They all have some strenght and some weakness.

But then Teams keeps showing up because "everyone knows it", "you already have it through office", ... And somehow I can't name a single strenght for it. It's just plain bad.

It reminds me of the galaxy of "prime" service from Amazon beside delivery, that don't need to compete on their own merit but benefit from the main product they're attached to: on its own, it should have died a dishonorable death a long time ago.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by nolok »

WD-42 wrote: post #76
jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

The saddest part is that they copy and pasted Skype, which was a decent program at the time. If you open pamixer and look at applications using audio it still shows up as Skype there. At least as of a few years ago.

Then again, what they did to Skype is a study case in how to destroy a platform users loved.

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

I use Teams every day (for work, the company basically runs on it) for chat and meetings, and I'm one of those strange people who never really have much problem with it. I can think of one occasion in perhaps the last six months when it crashed and I had to kill and restart it. Otherwise it just sits there on my laptop and does its thing. Same with Outlook etc.

So, what am I doing wrong? How do I get the authentic Teams user experience that everyone else here seemingly has?

Re: Unofficial Microsoft Teams client for Linux

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #108
jacquesm wrote: post #69

The official client is absolutely terrible. But, I've found a much better solution: I tell all my customers Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us and they'll have to pick something else. Kudos for at least trying to address this, MS should hang their head in shame, this is not the hardest problem to solve these days. If we could do it in 1995 they should be able to do it 30 years later.

I use Teams every day (for work, the company basically runs on it) for chat and meetings, and I'm one of those strange people who never really have much problem with it. I can think of one occasion in perhaps the last six months when it crashed and I had to kill and restart it. Otherwise it just sits there on my laptop and does its thing. Same with Outlook etc. So, what am I doing wrong? How do I get the authentic Te…

You are not alone. I also personally find Teams more than ok even if I wish it was more snappy.

Meetings work great. Compatible equipment in room makes everything feel seem less. Collaborative editing and file sharing are both awesome.

Every time it’s brought up on HN I get the feeling that people here use collaborative tools in a very different way I do. They mostly want something to chat via text which I and most of the people in my area of work use very little. I think that’s where the disconnect comes from.

Teams is not primarily a text chat software. It’s not built for this purpose as that’s not how most office workers collaborate. That’s quite obvious.

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