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Re: New users: Welcome. Please read the site guidelines.

#21
A suggestion:

Any chance that news stories could be throttled or more heavily edited/moderated just after a spike in new users? Just a thought, it could help to filter out those who are interested versus those just looking for another forum to do their usual thing on.

Re: New users: Welcome. Please read the site guidelines.

#22
post #4

I'd also prefer to see less "linkbait" on the front page; i.e. stories with titles that are, at best, only tangentially related and are instead overdramatized just to get clicks.

It would be healthy for submitters to look at headlines before they copy them directly, realizing that what makes sense for a blogger (aware of Digg) seeking some well-deserved attention for a post might not make sense in an extremely specialized forum like Hacker News. What I mean is, a blogger is completely justified in naming a post "Why James Bond would never drink a Coke" (like I did for an environmentalist blog…

Except we can't downvote can we? at least not stories? (or is there a karma level for that?) (I am sure I am missing something obvious).

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#23
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um... Did you look at who made this submission? :)

Oddly enough, a thread like this was front-paged just a few days ago, but was killed by the editors.

I didn't see the earlier thread, but perhaps the difference is in how things were worded? I quite often see pairs of comments posted at the same time and making exactly the same points, yet where one post gets voted up and the other doesn't, simply because one comment is better written than the other.

I imagine that this is even more important than usual in this case, since when the message is "please be good" there's really nothing except how well the message is worded.

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#24
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um... Did you look at who made this submission? :)

I think this may have been meant as an "ironic" joke. Then again, that kind of humor is also one of the common things on other sites that I'm thankful to not see rewarded here.

I think that is pretty funny - in fact when I read digg (usually on the phone, sitting on the toilet) for a laugh I always check the comments first, but I NEVER participate (its pure theatre). Has its place, as does HN I think. Is HN the only civil place online ? ;)

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#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be healthy for submitters to look at headlines before they copy them directly, realizing that what makes sense for a blogger (aware of Digg) seeking some well-deserved attention for a post might not make sense in an extremely specialized forum like Hacker News. What I mean is, a blogger is completely justified in naming a post "Why James Bond would never drink a Coke" (like I did for an environmentalist blog…

Except we can't downvote can we? at least not stories? (or is there a karma level for that?) (I am sure I am missing something obvious).

Nobody can downvote stories, but if they're violating the rules, high-karma users can flag them for deletion.

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#28
post #17

That principle doesn't work online. In general you can say stuff to people in person that's insulting and abusive, and then just give a wry smile and everybody laughs. You can't do that online. The guideline has it exactly wrong. The problem is that what you say online about someone is frozen forever, and takes on more significance than either the sender or the receiver actually meant. In person, I call you an asshol…

Some percentage of the nasty things people say on web forums are said half-jokingly and offend because half-jokingness is hard to convey in text, but I think the majority are genuinely nasty.

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#29
post #17

That principle doesn't work online. In general you can say stuff to people in person that's insulting and abusive, and then just give a wry smile and everybody laughs. You can't do that online. The guideline has it exactly wrong. The problem is that what you say online about someone is frozen forever, and takes on more significance than either the sender or the receiver actually meant. In person, I call you an asshol…

I really appreciate the distinction you drew here. I'm definitely an asshole a lot, but I'm fairly certain that at my core I'm a reasonable and accommodating person. That's something that can come across in person, but on the internet I have to take particular care to make sure I'm not stepping out of line.

Not that I always do, but I should :).

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