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Post by immibis »

LightBug1 wrote: post #155
UltraSane wrote: post #128

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Irrational? That's like saying the Allies response to the Nazi's was irrational. Come to think of it, maybe that's the solution. After WW2 the Allies "DeNazified" Germany by dismantling Nazi organizations, removing Nazis from public life, and trying prominent war criminals. It also included symbolic actions like changing street names, as well as re-educating the German population in democratic values. I'm keenly awar…

I live in Germany and I can tell you German denazification was a complete failure. Yes they're not run by a party calling itself NSDAP. Yes there haven't been concentration camps. Yes everyone knows you have to protect Jews. But the underlying feelings are still there - they're just directed towards different groups. Germany is inching closer to doing it again with Muslims.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by sebastos »

hashim wrote: post #188
praptak wrote: post #152

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Even in Ukraine it's quite possible to code. I worked at Google with people who stayed in Ukraine after Russia started the war. I can't say they were unaffected - there was stuff like meetings interrupted by missile alerts - but they managed to do normal work despite the ongoing war.

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The conversation is about trying to do everyday activities inside of a combat zone. The international community's opinion about the war is, I should think this is obvious, not the relevant factor. It doesn't matter what people think of the war, only that _there is war_. I think it's safe to say that Ukraine and Gaza are both plenty distracting places to work.

That said, even though it's totally off-topic, I can't help but respond to this:

>those same governments have been enabling and arming the occupier in Palestine/Gaza, and its media has pontificated that occupation, continuous ethnic cleansing and the hundreds of massacres and hostages - sorry, prisoners - is actually somehow justified

I think Western governments have been quite consistent: they condemn people who start wars. If you want to be supported by the international community, don't start a war. Finishing a war is different: those governments are perfectly happy to provide arms and support to anybody — be they white and European, like the Ukrainians, or non-white and non-European, like the Israelis — so long as it's in service of fighting back against a belligerent aggressor.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

hashim wrote: post #208
RandomNickname wrote: post #204

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Has Sudan also been going on 70 years with the help of the Brits and active funding of the Americans, then? Have hundreds of thousands died in any country and even more expelled (ethnically cleansed) in the world since 1948 apart from Palestine? No? Then your whataboutism is childish and your deflection is obvious.

> Have hundreds of thousands died in any country and even more expelled (ethnically cleansed) in the world since 1948 apart from Palestine?

What? Seriously?! It isn’t even in the top ten!

The partition of India. Zanzibar. Nigeria. The Khmer Rouge. The Cultural Revolution. The invasion and annexation of Tibet. Indonesia. Bangladesh. Rwanda. Idi Amin. The Kurds. Srebrenica. Biafra. The Khmer Rouge. Guetemala. The Cultural Revolution. The invasion and annexation of Tibet. Guatemala. Indonesia. Rwanda. Uganda. The Kurds. Srebrenica. Off the top of my head.

This sort of extremist ignorant activism hurts the people one claims to be protecting, because once exaggeration is shown it’s easier to dismiss the whole thing.

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Post by seg_lol »

berdario wrote: post #160
praptak wrote: post #152

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Even in Ukraine it's quite possible to code. I worked at Google with people who stayed in Ukraine after Russia started the war. I can't say they were unaffected - there was stuff like meetings interrupted by missile alerts - but they managed to do normal work despite the ongoing war.

40% of the bombing victims in Gaza are under 10 years old https://msf.org.uk/article/gaza-msf-survey-shows-almost-half... Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative, to understand the condition under which Palestinians are surviving.

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Post by klipt »

hashim wrote: post #208
RandomNickname wrote: post #204

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Has Sudan also been going on 70 years with the help of the Brits and active funding of the Americans, then? Have hundreds of thousands died in any country and even more expelled (ethnically cleansed) in the world since 1948 apart from Palestine? No? Then your whataboutism is childish and your deflection is obvious.

The Arab states did ethnically cleanse hundreds of thousands of indigenous Mizrahi Jews: https://justiceforjews.com/

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Post by klipt »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #214
hashim wrote: post #208

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Has Sudan also been going on 70 years with the help of the Brits and active funding of the Americans, then? Have hundreds of thousands died in any country and even more expelled (ethnically cleansed) in the world since 1948 apart from Palestine? No? Then your whataboutism is childish and your deflection is obvious.

> Have hundreds of thousands died in any country and even more expelled (ethnically cleansed) in the world since 1948 apart from Palestine? What? Seriously?! It isn’t even in the top ten! The partition of India. Zanzibar. Nigeria. The Khmer Rouge. The Cultural Revolution. The invasion and annexation of Tibet. Indonesia. Bangladesh. Rwanda. Idi Amin. The Kurds. Srebrenica. Biafra. The Khmer Rouge. Guetemala. The Cultu…

Not to mention the Arab states also ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of indigenous Mizrahi Jews: https://justiceforjews.com/

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Post by andrepd »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #210
berdario wrote: post #160

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40% of the bombing victims in Gaza are under 10 years old https://msf.org.uk/article/gaza-msf-survey-shows-almost-half... Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative, to understand the condition under which Palestinians are surviving.

> Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative Why not? 40% of bombing victims in Gaza are under 10. What fraction of the population is? How does that compare to Ukraine’s demographic and bombing victim distributions? These are valid questions for contextualising a conflict.

Unfortunately the reality in Gaza is way more severe than the reality in Ukraine in nearly every conceivable metric: deaths, famine, buildings destroyed, farms, schools, hospitals, journalists killed, shortages (by blockade) of essential goods...

And Ukraine is a massive war with over a million casualties, so imagine that.

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