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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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This is entirely false, the typical propaganda narative that all is fine in Gaza and they are just faking it. All hospitals and universities have been bombed. All foreign doctors that went to Gaza and went out (about the only people allowed in Gaza because journalists are prevented by Israel) have talked of the absolute destruction and lack of medical supplies. All neighbourhoods look absolutely destroyed. Most build…

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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I imagine Gaza may currently be one of the most difficult environments to write software code in. I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment - my environment here in Europe is really quite sheltered (guess this also depends on where one lives; areas close to Russia may not feel as comfortable as in central Europe or Western Europe). The only distraction I have here is youtube mus…

Even in Ukraine it's quite possible to code. I worked at Google with people who stayed in Ukraine after Russia started the war. I can't say they were unaffected - there was stuff like meetings interrupted by missile alerts - but they managed to do normal work despite the ongoing war.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Here's an article I found on Google that contains the claim about strikes associated with preventing civilian communication. Note the "physically high places." The story about the buckets fits within that frame. (My original source was an article I saw on HN; unfortunately Google's performance on search queries related to this subject is very poor, so it isn't easy to find again. I should have been saving them...) >…

I am not sure about your source. apart from blaming Israel with falsehoods such as organ theft, it has well known ties to Hamas https://ngo-monitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Kahel-and... Here its founding team posing next to Hamas leader. Even if we take it in face value it does not show Israeli repression of Palestinian speech in Gaza, while Hamas has been regularly executing and torturing over speech

I am not sure about your source. It looks like it is biased and promotes falsehoods:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ngo-monitor-bias/

> Overall, we rate the NGO Monitor Right biased based on support for the right-wing Israeli government. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting based on the consistent promotion of pro-Israeli propaganda.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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If goons are killing you for having an app you don't need more apps, you need a gun.

You are right but as German if I made that point publicly in regards to Palestine I would get arrested. I am not exaggerating It is crazy how we have dehumanized Palestinians to the point that just hinting on the fact that they might have a right to resist it completely taboo. Like you don't have to agree with their methods but expecting them to do nothing while Israel murders them and the world looks away is such a…

>I would get arrested

Have you considered getting a gun? Why or why not?

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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sounds like israel but with less torturing, killing, and genocide

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Irrational? That's like saying the Allies response to the Nazi's was irrational.

Come to think of it, maybe that's the solution. After WW2 the Allies "DeNazified" Germany by dismantling Nazi organizations, removing Nazis from public life, and trying prominent war criminals.

It also included symbolic actions like changing street names, as well as re-educating the German population in democratic values.

I'm keenly aware that there are significant sections of Israel and non-Israeli Jews who stand shoulder to shoulder fighting against what is happening in Israel.

But it's not enough. Israel should go through a process similar to DeNazification.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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> Is it their job to do that? Not that. But it should be someone’s job to monitor if Hamas adopts it.

That is an external problem to the bitchat app.

> That is an external problem to the bitchat app

Not really. If it becomes a tool of terrorist communication, it will get shut down. Legally, technically and/or kinetically.

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You are right but as German if I made that point publicly in regards to Palestine I would get arrested. I am not exaggerating It is crazy how we have dehumanized Palestinians to the point that just hinting on the fact that they might have a right to resist it completely taboo. Like you don't have to agree with their methods but expecting them to do nothing while Israel murders them and the world looks away is such a…

> Like you don't have to agree with their methods but expecting them to do nothing while Israel murders them But Israel's not murdering them. The war has a very low civilian to combatant death ratio.

>80% of the dead are civilians. What world are you living in?

https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-perc...

(Journalist from Israel)

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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This will be very interesting if they can conquer the distribution issue. During the Hong Kong protests I recall several such solutions were created, but the dominant thing ended up being airdrop because it is what so many people already had locked and loaded.

Too often the results of these efforts (like the HK protests just using Airdrop) are never really called out anywhere so these tools become nerd catnip and nerds continue to build solutions that nobody ends up using. It would be cool to maybe collect a list of situations where comms infra was disturbed and what ended up being used (if anything) in those situations to help guide future efforts.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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I think in these kinds of places they beat you dead for being the wrong skin colour if they're in a bad mood. I'm not sure how much your installed apps are relevant to the decision.

The "wrong skin color" is projection of western ideologies to Israel/Gaza conflict. Israelis have lighter skin Ashkenazi Jews, darker skin Mizrahi Jews(majority of hte jews in Israel now) and black Ethiopian jews. And of course 20%+ Arabs living in the country. Gazan Palestinians skin color varies as well, some have light skin, while others have darker skin tones. For example, does this woman have the right skin colo…

Projection? Really? ... Do a little research into how black Ethiopian Jews were given birth control shots without their consent or knowledge.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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I imagine Gaza may currently be one of the most difficult environments to write software code in. I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment - my environment here in Europe is really quite sheltered (guess this also depends on where one lives; areas close to Russia may not feel as comfortable as in central Europe or Western Europe). The only distraction I have here is youtube mus…

Even in Ukraine it's quite possible to code. I worked at Google with people who stayed in Ukraine after Russia started the war. I can't say they were unaffected - there was stuff like meetings interrupted by missile alerts - but they managed to do normal work despite the ongoing war.

40% of the bombing victims in Gaza are under 10 years old

https://msf.org.uk/article/gaza-msf-survey-shows-almost-half...

Comparing it to the war in Ukraine ("Even in Ukraine") isn't really helpful or informative, to understand the condition under which Palestinians are surviving.

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