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Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by zweifuss »

Incipient wrote: post #26

I don't get why Huawei gets specific hate? Shouldn't this equally apply to all Chinese vendors? I wouldn't expect any are less susceptible to government control?

ZTE is also under scrutiny. The reason it's only Huawei and ZTE is that other Chinese providers are so insignificant that the telecoms will likely be able to replace the infrastructure themselves with spares or consolidation. However, in an emergency, the government would have to foot the bill for replacing Huawei/ZTE systems quickly, as the telecoms couldn't finance this and lack of capacity would mean very high prices.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by croes »

lazyeye wrote: post #8
NoiseBert69 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd more say: they made clear rules if you want to play business in China. Europe never set any boundaries. Honestly our fault.

Our leaders in the West have been very naive. Also the Chinese "elite capture" program has been very effective.

You mean old we-don’t-care-bout-human-and-environmental-rights trick?

Let’s face it, nobody would care if China just would be a subordinate receiver of orders.

As soon they became a competitor there was a problem

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by anonporridge »

juliusceasar wrote: post #3

Better late than never. China has so many anti-Foreigner laws for doing business in China. West has made China rich and powerful in exchange for cheap labour.

The rise of China has done a lot to destroy the neoliberal, globalist dream.

Letting them cheat the globalist system (e.g. violating IP laws, human rights violations, Uyghur/Tibetan genocide) may have been fine when they were desperately poor, but there was always an implicit assumption that they would eventually start playing by the rules and culturally liberalize. But they're not. How can we hold onto ideals like "diversity is our strength" and open borders are good when China is kicking ass and threatening the balance of power as an insular ethnostate with one of the lowest rates of immigrants on the planet?

And now they're growing to a power level that threatens to rival the US and its authority to police this global system we've created. That isn't stable, and the west would be insane to not shut China out and take a step back from our open, globalist ideals until we sort out this geopolitical game of thrones.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by tippa123 »

kwanbix wrote: post #28

Nice, in 2025, the world is a place where China can not be trusted, Russia can not be trusted, USA can not be trusted, Europe can not be trusted, etc. We are very far from the "imagine all the people, living live in peace". I wonder why that is...

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Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by nemomarx »

PeterStuer wrote: post #24
sabjut wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both Nokia (Finland) and Ericsson (Sweden) are great european alternatives. There is no need to reinvent the wheel in every EU country.

Both Nokia and Ericsson have substantial Blackrock and Vanguard investment.

blackrock and vanguard do index funds, yeah? They have substantial investments in everything on the market that's doing well enough to get on indexes. I don't see how you can avoid that?

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by tchalla »

> “We’ll discuss with industry what we can do, not only to make ourselves independent from China, but also for example independent from the USA, independent from the big tech companies,” Merz said.

Good to know it's not just China.

> Merz ruled out fully decoupling from China, which is Germany’s second-biggest trading partner. “We can’t do that,” he said. “China can’t do that, but we can do it even less.”

And even better to know that the move is practical and understands who has the upper hand.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by jajuuka »

croes wrote: post #32
lazyeye wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our leaders in the West have been very naive. Also the Chinese "elite capture" program has been very effective.

You mean old we-don’t-care-bout-human-and-environmental-rights trick? Let’s face it, nobody would care if China just would be a subordinate receiver of orders. As soon they became a competitor there was a problem

And that is the core contention for the anti-China rhetoric. That they are a competitor. There are a billion and one reasons people say they don't like China, but the core issue is competition.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by anonporridge »

PeterStuer wrote: post #18

They are not wrong, but will they also ban Cisco in their "Sovereignty Push"?

Why should they?

The United States honors international IP law and doesn't cheat its way into threatening domestic production of other countries like China does.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by V__ »

tchalla wrote: post #36

> “We’ll discuss with industry what we can do, not only to make ourselves independent from China, but also for example independent from the USA, independent from the big tech companies,” Merz said. Good to know it's not just China. > Merz ruled out fully decoupling from China, which is Germany’s second-biggest trading partner. “We can’t do that,” he said. “China can’t do that, but we can do it even less.” And even be…

At the same time they are exploring the use of Palantir and want to use more of Microsofts 365 cloud.

This is all just talk. Either there are very real security concerns or someone lobbied heavily.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Post by tharne »

anonporridge wrote: post #38
PeterStuer wrote: post #18

They are not wrong, but will they also ban Cisco in their "Sovereignty Push"?

Why should they? The United States honors international IP law and doesn't cheat its way into threatening domestic production of other countries like China does.

> Why should they?

Because bashing all things American while ignoring the threat posed by China is part of Europe's cultural DNA.

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