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Marc Andreessen as Avatar for Societal Decay

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Re: Marc Andreessen as Avatar for Societal Decay

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Post by JuniperMesos »

techblueberry wrote: post #6

" I am deeply on Marc Andreessen’s side when he makes the basic point that society should aim to build more things like vaccines, housing, manufacturing, and new technologies. Andreessen has, over the past few years, been engaged in a battle with people he calls ‘decels’, the enemies of growth." Watching Marc Andreesen talk, I noticed everything he says is sort of strategic cosplaying. In the interview with Joe Rogan…

> In the interview with Joe Rogan, one thing that jumped out at me was when he says, Democrats are now the party of the rich and the poor and Republicans are the party of the middle, but like, I could just vibe he didn't give a fuck about what he was saying, it just sounded good and was useful to him to say in that political moment.

What does it mean for you to have vibed that he didn't give a fuck about what he was saying? This pithy observation about contemporary US poltical parties isn't unique to him and doesn't seem obviously incorrect. This seems like a pretty normal thing to state on a podcast like the one Joe Rogan does.

Re: Marc Andreessen as Avatar for Societal Decay

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Post by techblueberry »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #11
techblueberry wrote: post #6

" I am deeply on Marc Andreessen’s side when he makes the basic point that society should aim to build more things like vaccines, housing, manufacturing, and new technologies. Andreessen has, over the past few years, been engaged in a battle with people he calls ‘decels’, the enemies of growth." Watching Marc Andreesen talk, I noticed everything he says is sort of strategic cosplaying. In the interview with Joe Rogan…

> In the interview with Joe Rogan, one thing that jumped out at me was when he says, Democrats are now the party of the rich and the poor and Republicans are the party of the middle, but like, I could just vibe he didn't give a fuck about what he was saying, it just sounded good and was useful to him to say in that political moment. What does it mean for you to have vibed that he didn't give a fuck about what he was…

It seems obviously incorrect that all the billionaires supporting Trump don't see themselves as part of the "top". He's not making an observation, he's trying to confabulate a vision of the world that will appeal to people who will upvote him fake internet points.

Re: Marc Andreessen as Avatar for Societal Decay

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Post by mostlysimilar »

techblueberry wrote: post #12
JuniperMesos wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the interview with Joe Rogan, one thing that jumped out at me was when he says, Democrats are now the party of the rich and the poor and Republicans are the party of the middle, but like, I could just vibe he didn't give a fuck about what he was saying, it just sounded good and was useful to him to say in that political moment. What does it mean for you to have vibed that he didn't give a fuck about what he was…

It seems obviously incorrect that all the billionaires supporting Trump don't see themselves as part of the "top". He's not making an observation, he's trying to confabulate a vision of the world that will appeal to people who will upvote him fake internet points.

The world we live in now is one where fake internet points can be redeemed for political and social capital. The worst people we know figured this out before the sane ones and that's why we're in this mess we're in.

Re: Marc Andreessen as Avatar for Societal Decay

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Post by toomuchtodo »

fifilura wrote: post #8
epistasis wrote: post #7

With people like Andreessen it's important to realize that he's saying whatever will most accomplish his goals, rather than using discussion as a method for investigating for truth. That means there will be a mix of honesty in everything. This fact is true of everyone to some degree, but to an extreme in Andreessen. He will not be talking to someone unless there is a specific goal around his empire. And his goals div…

Sounds like the traits of a psychopath?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad

Re: Marc Andreessen as Avatar for Societal Decay

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Post by JuniperMesos »

techblueberry wrote: post #12
JuniperMesos wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the interview with Joe Rogan, one thing that jumped out at me was when he says, Democrats are now the party of the rich and the poor and Republicans are the party of the middle, but like, I could just vibe he didn't give a fuck about what he was saying, it just sounded good and was useful to him to say in that political moment. What does it mean for you to have vibed that he didn't give a fuck about what he was…

It seems obviously incorrect that all the billionaires supporting Trump don't see themselves as part of the "top". He's not making an observation, he's trying to confabulate a vision of the world that will appeal to people who will upvote him fake internet points.

There's only about 3000 billionaires in the world, most of whom aren't US citizens. Billionaires definitely use their wealth and business/social cachet to try to influence politics in a direction they see as good, but they don't agree among themselves about what that is, and don't support the same things politically. Many American billionaires support Trump, many others do not, still others aren't saying publicly.

More to the point if you're making a broad generalization about how politicians in the US appeal to different demographic segments within the American electorate, thinking about what significantly less than 3000 billionaires are doing at all is a rounding error.

Re: Marc Andreessen as Avatar for Societal Decay

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Post by gsf_emergency_4 »

PaulHoule wrote: post #2

(1) Aren't conservatives supposed to "conserve?" (2) I like it that people are picking up the concept of "vice signalling"

(1) ac.. I approx Foucault as a centrist, but 'fess that shit could be undecidable ( without reviewing the inputs ) Conservatives are self-destructive :)

(2) Countersignalling is older than your parlance makes it sound. See Fussell Class, hipsters, etc

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