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I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by nerdjon »

cratermoon wrote: post #62
nerdjon wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no and this is the problem with the current marketing around AI. I very much do want what used to be just called ML that was invisible and actually beneficial. Autocorrect, smart touch screen keyboards, music recommendations, etc. But the problem is that all of that stuff is now also just being called "AI" left and right. That being said I think what most people think of when they say "AI" is really not as be…

Nobody wants what's currently marketed as "AI" everywhere.

I mean, that is kinda exactly what I said..

But we do have to acknowledge that AI is very much turned into an all encompassing term of everything ML. It is getting harder and harder to read an article about something being done with "AI" and to know if it was a custom purpose built model to do a specific task or is it throwing data into an LLM and hoping for the best.

They are purposefully making it harder and harder to just say "No AI" by obfuscating this so we have to be very specific about what we are talking about.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by TimByte »

JohnFen wrote: post #5

Mozilla's gonna Mozilla. I don't want this, but at the same time I think people are overreacting. If Mozilla remains true to their word and this is an opt-in sort of thing, it's hard for me to get too worked up about it. I can just ignore it.

Yet features that start optional sometimes get nudged more front-and-center over time

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by reaperducer »

vidarh wrote: post #74
everdrive wrote: post #4

Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.

Just half an hour ago I needed to extra some text from a Notion page as JSON, and just popped the URL into Claude code and told it to use Playwright to extract the fields. I'd prefer to have it in Firefox, but the Firefox AI sidebar doesn't provide much meaningful integration (I'm sure there are extensions, and will probably look for that later, but the Playwright MCP server provided what I needed for now) So, yes, I…

The person you're replying to noted that there will be "edge cases." Your response exemplifies this.

In fact, I'd say you're an edge case's edge case. There should be a word for that. Maybe "one-off."

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by vidarh »

gbear605 wrote: post #33
coldpie wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does anyone want AI in anything? Yeah, they do. Go talk to anyone who isn't in a super-online bubble such as HN or Bsky or a Firefox early-adopter program. They're all using it, all the time, for everything. I don't like it either, but that's the reality.

If I talk to the people I know who don’t spend all their time online, they’re just not using AI. Quite a few of my close friends haven’t used AI even once in any way, and most of the rest tried it out once and didn’t really care for it. They’re busy doing things in the real world, like spending time with their kids, or riding horses, or reading books.

Being busy riding horses and reading books are both niche activities (yes, reading too, sadly, at lest above a very small number of books which does not translate to people being busy doing it more than a tiny fraction of their time), which suggests perhaps your close friends are a rather biased set. Nothing wrong with that, but we're all in bubbles.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by coldpie »

gbear605 wrote: post #33
coldpie wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does anyone want AI in anything? Yeah, they do. Go talk to anyone who isn't in a super-online bubble such as HN or Bsky or a Firefox early-adopter program. They're all using it, all the time, for everything. I don't like it either, but that's the reality.

If I talk to the people I know who don’t spend all their time online, they’re just not using AI. Quite a few of my close friends haven’t used AI even once in any way, and most of the rest tried it out once and didn’t really care for it. They’re busy doing things in the real world, like spending time with their kids, or riding horses, or reading books.

I talk to an acquaintance selling some homemade products on Etsy, he uses & likes the automatically generated product summary Etsy made for him. My neighbor asks me if I have any further suggestions for refinishing her table top beyond the ones ChatGPT suggested. Watching all of my coworkers using Google search, they just read the LLM summary at the top of the page and look no further. I see a friend take a picture, she uses the photo AI tool to remove a traffic sign from the background. Over lunch, a coworker tells me about the thing she learned about from the generated summary of a YouTube video.

We can take principled stands against these things, and I do because I am an obnoxiously principled dork, but the reality is it's everywhere and everyone other than us is using it.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by quotemstr »

Only reason Firefox has 2% market share is that Mozilla's leaders keep listening to a tiny, loud minority of extremely online luddites instead of delivering actual users what they want. The anti-AI set on HN is the same set that claims users want feature phones, not smartphones. They'd probably also be against long-distance telephone lines and the wheel.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by j4coh »

nerdjon wrote: post #56
everdrive wrote: post #4

Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.

Yes and no and this is the problem with the current marketing around AI. I very much do want what used to be just called ML that was invisible and actually beneficial. Autocorrect, smart touch screen keyboards, music recommendations, etc. But the problem is that all of that stuff is now also just being called "AI" left and right. That being said I think what most people think of when they say "AI" is really not as be…

They need to show usage going up and to the right or the house of cards falls apart. So now you’re forced to use it.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by ponector »

mythrwy wrote: post #69
everdrive wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be something of an historical return to form; a small class of properly educated people and then the wider, semi-literate masses.

Communicating in pictographs

That should be a next step. It takes too much time to read summary. So the result should be a summary picture! Text based image generation is quite good now. How would you call this chatgpt feature?
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