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Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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I use it for summarization constantly. I made iOS/mac shortcuts which call Gemini for various tasks and use them quite often, mostly summarization related.

How do you know its summaries are correct?

You already know that they aren't. Yesterday my wife and I were discussing Rønja Røverdatter. When we were kids it used to have danish talk over, so you could still hear the original swedish sound as well. Now it has been dubbed, and we were talking about the actor who voices Birk. Anyway, we looked him up and found out he was in Blinkende Lygter, which neither of us remebered. So we asked Gemini and it told us he played the child flashback actor of the main character... except he doesn't, and to make matters worse, Gemini said that he played Christian a young Torkil... So it even got the names wrong. Sure this isn't exactly something Gemini would know, considering Rønja Røverdatter is an old Astrid Lingren novel that was turned to film decades ago, and Blinkende Lygter is a Danish movie from 20ish years ago where Sebastian Jessen plays a tiny role. Since they are prediction engines though, they'll happily give you a wrong answer because that's what the math added up to.

I like LLM's, I've even build my own personal agent on our Enterprise GPT subscription to tune it for my professional needs, but I'd never use them to learn anything.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Mozilla's gonna Mozilla. I don't want this, but at the same time I think people are overreacting. If Mozilla remains true to their word and this is an opt-in sort of thing, it's hard for me to get too worked up about it. I can just ignore it.

From their history, you can expect the exact opposite. Remember the Mr robot fiasco?

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.

Just half an hour ago I needed to extra some text from a Notion page as JSON, and just popped the URL into Claude code and told it to use Playwright to extract the fields. I'd prefer to have it in Firefox, but the Firefox AI sidebar doesn't provide much meaningful integration (I'm sure there are extensions, and will probably look for that later, but the Playwright MCP server provided what I needed for now)

So, yes, I want AI in "everything".

And it's not a waste of resources if it's not triggered automatically.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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People don't want AI passively lurking in the background extracting behavioral data yet this is the model they are aiming for, or at least gravitating towards repeatedly.

I also don't need / don't want it's manipulative presence around.

Not to be paranoid, but it's not just about browsers, that's just the most convenient place we've gotten started with this sort of mass surveillance (and control) architecture.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.

The existence of the features doesn’t bother me. It’s the constant nagging about them. I can’t use a google product without being harassed to the point of not being able to work by offers to “help me write” or whatever. Having the feature on a menu somewhere would be fine. The problem is the confluence of new features now becoming possible, and companies no longer building software for their users but as vehicles to…

The worst one w/Google is how they've highjacked long-press on the power button on Android, and you can change what it does but your options are arbitrarily limited.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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I connected Claude to Firefox's ai pane and honestly I feel that this a good middle ground. I don't want an AI browser but I appreciate being able to have ai access specific pages when I have questions. My only beef is they've basically put Claude's webpage on a side pane, with all the issues of a squished webpage. I also think having a separate mode is really the best middle ground between an all spying ai-browser a…

I thought the AI pane was convenient. Then I wanted to try a different AI service, and couldn't do so without losing all the content in the currently open pane. And I realized - this would be so much better if it was just a regular tab. Like we already have.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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I use it for summarization constantly. I made iOS/mac shortcuts which call Gemini for various tasks and use them quite often, mostly summarization related.

How do you know its summaries are correct?

Because they mostly are, and even if not, it doesn't usually matter.

For example - you summarize a YouTube link to decide if the content of it is something you're interested in watching. Even if summarizations like that are only 90% correct 90% of the times it is still really helpful, you get the info you need to make a decision to read/watch the long form content or not.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Nobody wants anything from Mozilla except Firefox/Thunderbird to be high-performance alternatives to Chrome/Outlook with fewer restrictions on extensions. That’s it. The rest is just activism and kids playing in a sandbox with non-profit money to pad out their resume with whatever topical keywords might land them their next gig.

I see this sentiment a lot, but I never agree with it. Sure, some of their projects seem very odd for them to lead, but given that they are completely reliant on their competitor for cash -- a revenue source that has been threatened several times by anti-trust cases against Google -- they should be looking to branch out. Firefox alone won't pay the bills, so they need to try and find some other revenue source. Plus,…

> Plus, Chrome has essentially won. Not necessarily for any engineering reason, at least not these days, but from continued momentum of being the market leader.

s/Chrome/Internet Explorer/g

Nobody has won until the match is over, and history has a very long tail.

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